Look at me..... I'm on TV.

Homer.

Give over. He was ok for both teams, Keighley were just really poor and look to be in serious trouble now. Owen really puts the DR thing in perspective. Only thing he got wrong was the forward pass, which it was suggested was a call made by the TJ

You cant blame the ref;, blame Marchy he coaches like he plays giving penalty's away get rid your a better team without him.

Any one blaming the ref really isnt seeing the bigger picture.

Infact the ref had a very good game. That certainly cannot be said about a few players.

The ref was good for both teams tonight, we lost fair and square and in very poor style

I thought he did fine until the March incident.

Was only messing about before

We played well for 25 mins and then let it slip, mainly down to our DR fullback, I would have had Duffy as fullback as he is reliable, dependable, a go forward player and lives and breathes Keighley, however if he was unavailable then so be it.

Fev play a mean game, they use their forwards for real solid hits until your forwards tire then work the ball well to play some fantastic entertaining rugby.

We conceded 26 points in each half away to Fev, compare that with the past couple of seasons away games to Fev.

Last week we lost at home to Leigh by a slightly lesser margin, anyone want to compare the scoreline to the fev game?

The March incident occured right in front of me, March got flattened, wasn't allowed to get up to play the ball then a second Fev player decided to flop on the already completed tackle again Marchy couldnt get up, after what seemed like eternity he regained his feet but the Fev players leg was trapped under marchys arm, the ref then decided it was marchys fault for trapping the players leg and gave Fev a penalty, Marchy then said something to the ref and was given a red, all this less than one minute from time when we were in a good position to score.

I for one don't blame Marchy for losing his cool

The real fans were at the game, the real fans are going to home games, this forum is for debate, accepted but it seems it's more about moaning about the club than supporting it

Starving the club of your money to prove a point will only end up with us having no club at all, then I suppose it will have been the clubs fault!

REAL FANS pmsl, I back this club just as much as a REAL FAN but I aren't about to come on here burry my head in the sand and say Marchy is doing a great job and our performances are improving. That just isn't me. This forum is for anyone to voice their opinions about anything to do with the club, I applaud you and everyone else who made trip but for 2 reasons I wasn't going and that is I pay for premier sports so why go if it had been televised at home I would have gone and secondly I wasn't waisting my hard earned cash to travel to fev to watch what I only describe as shambolic and embarrassing. Starving the club of money, not showing support to the club well that's not me but to be honest I don't blame anyone that has turned there back on the place because to be honest do you feel wanted or valued by the club as a supporter because if you do you must be the only one.

Out of interest do you think we should be beating York and barrow coming up or is this all part and parcel of giving Marchy time and a chance to improve. How much longer will you continue to support Marchy before your patience wears thin???

As you will have seen on another post I have openly invited Gary Fawcett to put something out there for us all to read on how the club is doing and plans for the rest of the season, it's not demanding or holding anyone to ransom just genuine questions that every other club keeps their fans up to date with. He will see it as he regularly looks on here that I know. So lets see how much we are valued by OUR CLUB now.

The team is going through an injury crises, you can not seriously expect them to play as if the full first 17 were out on the field. People aren't happy

This has been addressed by bringing in DR reg players. People aren't happy

As Guess Who rightly pointed out on another thread, would a different coach under the fact existing conditions be able to have the team play any better? I doubt it very much.

Under JD we lost games to London, South Wales and others with a full first 17 that included some top names that we should have walked. As I said we also lost more convincingly at Fev away twice too, any comment on that?

Put that into perspective,

When was our last won competitive game? Well before the end of last season
When was the last time we actually gave a team a real thumping? Workington promotion win
Are we playing the same team's as last season? No, we are playing against the feeder clubs with top names from Sl
We have Cas, just! They are not a top 6 Sl team so their fringe players are not head and shoulders above championship players as other DR SL players are.
To top it off let me remind you of the injury crises we have again

Now can you see why we are struggling to keep our heads above water?
Or are you still looking for a scapegoat?

Yes I want wins against York and Barrow but I also want wins against Dewsbury Hunslet workington Halifax Batley and the rest, we all want wins

Being a real fan means supporting your team through thick and thin, not playing a blame game

Mock all you like, I will be at cougar park shouting my team on every week

Very good post.

This forum makes me laugh. People come on here and spout the usual tosh about true, loyal fans etc. If you feel the need to come on here in an attempt to convince people you are a "true fans" you need to look at yourself.

In some peoples eyes I'm not a true fans because I wasn't there last night. Instead, I took my 2 girls to their swimming lessons! I also don't make 90% of the noise so again, I'm not worthy of fan status. I don't spend a huge amount behind the bar so again I'm not supporting the club enough. After watching a game for 80 minutes my girls are ready for off so I go home as oppose to going to the bar. I must be a terrible fan!

However, what I find really laughable is the people making these comments are hardly whiter than white. Harry Hill if I'm not mistaken talked about watching the Giants rather than the Cougars a season or two back because the Cougars were going through a bad run of form.

Harry is right though, being a fan will mean supporting the club through thick and thin but this is a forum and people should feel able to voice their opinion. However, that being said when I see people posting on here minutes after the final whistle it does make me wonder. It appears to me that people cannot wait to get behind their keyboard and make comment.

I can't understand all this issue with March's red card. It looked harsh but must have been for something he said to the ref. JD was lucky a few times over the last two seasons not to walk for some of his actions, but people seemed to accept that.

We've been here before, we'll be here again - but so will you. Rugby in general is on it's uppers, DR is a complete nonsense.

PS How's the Mosque coming on, I've heard you are going to ground share with Dewsbury

The sad thing is it appears the end game is being played out before our very eyes.

There seems to be 2 very distinct groups of fans at the moment. Not every Cougar fan falls in to one. However these groups are now at each others throats.

1. The "support your club no matter what" group. They go to every home and away game, every event, most reserve games, buy all the merch. Some of them volunteer, sit on committees or chip in a few extra quid by sponsoring something or a player.

2. The "I'll support the club but I want to see the club give something back group" A lot of them also follow the club home and away they don't necessarily go to events or reserve games because they don't feel compelled to.

To be honest there has always been this kind of hierarchy of fan at the club. However in the last 8 months or so due to the club going through adversity the gap between these 2 groups of fans has widened considerably.

Group 1 have rallied around in defence of the club showing their loyalty. They also have got together as a clique. They defend each other and round on anyone who doesn't show the same level of perceived support as they do. "You are not a true fan" they cry in unison.

Group 2 are asking questions, sometimes demands of the club. "Why is the team playing badly?" "March out!" "What are the club doing about this?" they cry. They don't all necessarily all have the same point of view, the but they care about the club none the less.

If the club closes, which absolutely nobody here wants, the Group 1 fans will blame those Group 2 fans that have stayed away like myself and Obeone who are so alienated we've decided to walk away for the time being. For Group 2 fans the blame will lie firmly at the board of directors for not running the club properly.

In order for the club to survive I think the following has to happen.

The club has to unite the fans. The saying "you can't please everyone" it's true. However more needs to be done to give all fans a common goal to unite around. I want to come back to Cougar Park. Sunday afternoons are miserable without my rugby league fix. I still look at the latest scores to see how we're doing. I can't comeback to watch us as Cas' feeder club it's heart breaking.

The club and Group 1 fans need to stop looking inward on themselves. There is more to Keighley Cougars than just yourselves. Don't judge other people by the standards you set, in some peoples eyes there is more to life than Keighley Cougars, they don't have the time, the money or the inclination to do the appreciated thing you do for the club, but don't hold that against them. Most importantly, respect them and their opinions. They may be different to yours but in a democratic society they're entitled to it, and most of all cut the personal stuff out, it's more likely to drive people away if anything. I disagree with what you have to say but I will defend to the death your right to say it as Voltaire once said.

Group 2 fans aren't innocent either, running the club isn't easy. It's easy to get carried away when team's getting tonked. They also need to cut out the personal stuff, it helps no one. Can you do just a little more to help the club? Sometimes small things by many individuals make a big difference.

You've missed one group out - those that like a good argument



Your statements a bit black and white. There are many who fall outside those parameters, but the jist of it just reflects tribal human nature and is the same at most sporting clubs.

Any responses I make on here are not about defending individuals or regimes, more about defending fair play and looking at the REAL circumstances surrounding a discussion topic. Everyone has an opinion, and those opinions can change markedly with the availabilty of new facts. For example, according to one post on here March should be sacked for dropping Gav Duffy when it turns out Gav was unavailable due to work.



He also said: [i"Opinions have caused more ills than the plague or earthquakes on this little globe of ours."[/i

and: [i"Life is bristling with thorns, and I know no other remedy than to cultivate one's garden."[/i

That one I can make a sweeping generalisation about, all of us

I have to say Stealths last post is spot on but does anyone have any ideas how you get a board of directors that aren't bothered about what the fans think, say or do to make everyone feel apart of the club again and more importantly put the heart back into KEIGHLEY COUGARS that was slowly coming back under JD.

Ditto

And I will be booking my Travelodges for Gloucester and Hemel Hempstead if it comes to it

I give last night a miss. I will.never step foot in fev again after what happened to my friend David when they played Halifax a few years ago.

Roll on next week.....

Good man.