So you wouldn't agree that quite a few - if not more than most - of Wigan's performances under Brian Noble have been less than convincing?

I'd think very carefully before answering that question, because that's the way the chairman needs to see it. Should one or two impressive victories (and so far we're actually only talking one) distract us from the generally very poor shows that we've been treated to for the last few years?

I for one have never called for Nobles head i would like to think i have looked at the bigger picture.
He has brought us a long way in 3 years and can still Finnish the job and take us to winning GF and CC finals it is not and never has been a quick overnight job it was always going to take 3 to 4 years to turn the club around after so many failed quick fixes.
Trouble is we had it to good for to long and no one could see the long term damage that was being done to the club.
Also lots of fans think its wave a magic wand and it will be right well in the real world that will never work its hard work and commitment that will get us to the top again and we should all let Noble see the job through.

Although at the game i was far too worse for wear to give a judgement call, but clearly he got something right and credit to him, he deserves all the praise he has recieved and the backing of the board.

If he can generate performances like that or near to that level i will be happy for him to stay at Wigan, but again lets not get carried away it is one good performance off the back or 2 results but poor to average performances.

Its a fantastic thing to turn Saints over in such style and i look forward to watching the game without the benefit of a 2 day drinking session.

Noble must get the credit for this performance just as he must take the fall for the other performances lets hope this finally is the start of something good and not another false dawn. We have seen what the team is capable of now and what most of us on here knew the level we could acheive. Its up to Noble now to continue this which I dearly hope he can.

It is definitely down to Noble now to kick on - and a better opportunity couldn't be asked for in an away cup tie that, while it will doubtless be quite testing, is not impossible for a team at the top of its game.

If we genuinely have turned a corner, and what we saw on Saturday is truly a sign of things to come, then we will beat Wakey and proceed to the quarters. But if it was another of these frustrating one-offs, and normality is due to be restored, then Wakey may put us away convincingly.

If Noble and his boys can break this cycle and take us on a winning run - and there's no physical reason why they can't, because they did Saints good and proper (in the words of IL, in "every aspect of the game"icon_wink.gif - then it'll be much, much harder for the club to go looking for a new head-coach.

Brian's future at Wigan is very much in his own hands.

The win over Stains was fantastic and there are signs that players like Smith, Phelps and Coley are playing to a much higher standard than at the start of the season, things definitely look on the up. Hopefully now people will also be off Lockers back for a while.

However, the euphoria seems a bit misplaced. The team has been capable of performing in one-off matches for the last couple of years but simply hasn't been able to deliver consistently.

We are still a long way adrift of the top 3 after an absolutely shocking start to the season. IF - and to me its a big IF - we can put a decent winning run together over the next month or so then maybe BN and the team will deserve all plaudits being heaped on them at the moment by some Wigan fans.

At the moment for me they have won back some respect, but they still have a long way to go before I'll be joining in the celebrations. I just hope that before long I'm feeling as positive about this team as many of the people on this thread!

Of course it shouldnt....im struggling to see your point as it appears that you to are of the correct option IMO that nobby should go regardless of beating st helens.....the point i was making originally is far too many on here are too fickle....they wanted noble out the other week, now more than half appear to want him to stop, and that will again change as soon as we suffer another bad defeat which im sure we will at another point this season as nobby is not up to scratch imo.

I don't see any reason not to congratulate Noble on masterminding a good win, despite being doubtful that he's the man to take us forward long term.

What I saw on Saturday still wasn't enough to convince me that Noble should get a new contract. If we keep on playing like that, I will happily change my mind. But I don't think it's hypocritical or pathetic to praise him for winning last Saturday's very important fixture.

That pretty much echoes my opinion....

But won nothing.......

Didn't he say he would walk away if wigan don't win anything in his 1st 3 years?

He did how ever totally out think potter at MM. He defo did his home work

No, that was DW and Mo.......and they've gone

I think the walking out was the previous management of Maurice and Whelan not Noble but I could be wrong

No. you're getting mixed up with Whelan & Lindsay.
They didn't win anything, true to their word they walked.

Oh, ok my mistake.

Do you lot think noble has done a good job in his time he been in charge?

I'm not taking pi$$ or looking for heated debate. It's a gen question.

This is my view on the matter.

The money I pay for my and my sons season ticket covers me for league games and if we are lucky with the draw the odd cup game.

And the teams performance in the league, what I am paying my money to watch, has been very poor for the last two seasons and despite the Saints result this one as well so far.

Now no doubt someone will say Noble gets his teams to peak at the right time as if this was some sort of master plan and the poor performances during the season are in fact deliberate

Well even if it was a master plan it isn't and never will be good enough.

You CAN win trophies by playing good RL all season as well as when it matters as Saints and Leeds have proved in recent seasons.

If Noble can get us doing that then he can stay for me. If we are forever hoping we "peak at the right time" after yet another dross league season he really has got to go.

Dave

I was full of praise for nobby after saturday and he fully deserves that praise, he masterminded one of the best wigan performances for years and watching the team perform so well on saturday was like seeing the return of the good old days.

that game should give us the world of confidence to go on and put on a streak, after all if any team puts a good run together they will easily be in the top 4 the league is that inconsistant.

we're playing the best attacking rugby we have for years and if we continue to improve our defense we are going to be difficult to stop!

Id like to see lenegan continuing to be unusure around the contract because it will lead to noble striving to get the best out of the lads.

who out there who we could realistically get is better than noble?

No one at the moment

One thing is for sure - there's no point getting rid of a man if you can't replace him with someone better. And that isn't easily done.

It doesn't mean you shouldn't try, but it does mean you may need to be patient.

Noble like the game to be played in a cautious way

We have a group of players who like to play with abit of risk(Gleeson, Leuluai, Feka, Hock etc)

Maybe the fact that he now has plenty of natural flair at his disposal will help Noble because theres only so far he can reign them in. If he wants them to play it up the middle but the players want to throw it about maybe we'll naturally find an ideal middle ground.

The defeats this year have been hard to take and some of his team selections have baffled at times but i've said for a long time that Noble(and Lenagan) should always be judged in the main in season 2010 because thats when Lindsays poor salary cap managment will be behind us. He should have a top squad at his disposal and hopefully can produce the goods.

There defo isn't a stand out candidate to take over.

Take your pick. Noble wasn't out of contract when we signed him. It was right out of the blue.

Dave

so what would you suggest? offering noble a 1 year contract or for longer?

A one year deal with an option of another year is probably the way i'd go if the level of preformence remains reasonably consistant.

Thats not what i hear from the players he has been trying all year to get the expansive game to stick and you can see over the last few games its coming together

what message would it send to noble though?
[i'ok, we'll keep you on, but we don't think you're worth a 2 year contract'[/i

You will see mid august what he gets

He only got a one year extension last year and took it so a years deal with another years option wouldn't seem too bad.

Alot will depend on how the rest of this season goes though i suppose.

We have to find consistancy yet.