It doesn't matter how quick he is really, he has enough pace to play 6 IMO. It's about how quick and well he moves the ball on in the line, which he does very well.

If we were where saints are now then I might say yes give him a shot but we cannot afford to play him and end up having that as part of the reason we lost to change it the next week. We need to win all our games from now on, we have no second chances left for this season. We also need as much consistancy as possible and atm we are winning so keep it as consistant as possible and if we absolutely have to, then move one of the players I mentioned to 6 as cover.

If we really wanted to bring in a young player at this time for a game then I would say leave Leuluai and Sam in the halves and bring Logan Tomkins in for 1 game as his position has a lower risk to it. Having a 6 with a bad game on the field could lose you the game but with a hooker it's a little different.

Logan Tomkins is a Junior!

He's only made 4 apps for the Resevres, 2 being off the bench.

Either Joe Mellor (SH) or Stefan Marsh (SH/LC), should get ago, between them they've scored 15 tries in 19 apps in the reserves.

It's lower risk playing a hooker than a 6 IMO though.

Playing anyone in any position at such a young age is a huge risk.

I.e Aniscough, S. Tomkins most recently.

Playing Flan and Farrell will be a risk, some might not think it is, but believe me it will be!

Marsh is a centre or winger not a 6.

I think he would make a very good fullback.

Far too early for first team yet. Ian Thornley could do a job at centre but he is also too young at this time.

We may have no choice!

Besides, they have to get a chance sometime, they have been ripping it up in the reserves - leave them there too long without a sniff of the first team and they are going to be frustrated or lose enthusiasm. Sometimes the action that it is forced upon a coach is the one that pays dividends in the future - if they can cover for 3/4 games thats fine, then if we don't see them again until next year at least its a bit of experience and they'll know the areas that they need to work on to secure regular first team places.

Too early for Logan Tomkins - Joe Mellor, Stefan Marsh or Sam Gee should be considered if required well before him.

Briscoe will come back to Wigan as a long term full-back so he will not be playing there for Wigan I don't think.

I do not think playing Flanagan and Farrell is a big risk.

Does anybody think that Hansen will be alright for Friday?

He played on, could he have done that if he really had broke his hand? He is one hard b@stard if he did

Roberts
Pryce
Gleeson
Carmont
Richards
Phelps
Sam
Fielden
Riddell
Prescott
Bailey
Joel
Flanagan

Tommy
Feka
Coley
Farrell

Riddell - so good we've cloned him.

Oddball

That would be a nightmare, two of them

I guess he is the size of two players - easy mistake to make.

He's still the best hooker at the club and by a good distance.

who is riddell

Edited for accuracy.

Been far too inconsistent for my liking and has been outplayed by McIllorum in a number of games this year, Hull KR most recently. Expected more when we signed him.

my thought too

Although come to think of it, labelling him as fit is maybe a bit of stretch given the size of his gut.

Yes

Did you hear McRaes comments at the HKR game.

How did Gee do yesterday Rogues ?

He went well.


Rather than make too many changes if we are really struggling I wouldn't have any problems putting him in the first team.

Just to compare Mickey and Piggy
[urlhttp://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2009&hp1=2075&hs2=2009&hp2=2385&stat=tries&season=2008[/url

off the stats there it looks like riddell is the much better player, mcIllorums stats look very very ordinary in fact, bit strange.

Quote ="Rogues Gallery"He went well. Rather than make too many changes if we are really struggling I wouldn't have any problems putting him in the first team. Just to compare Mickey and Piggy [urlhttp://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2009&hp1=2075&hs2=2009&hp2=2385&stat=tries&season=2008[/url'" As you well know stats only tell part of the story, granted Piggy is the better player overall, but considering their respective reputations, experience, stage of career and likely cap numbers, can you really say that Piggy has been such a success? I can't. Macca is a work in progress and has both good and bad games, but is improving and offers that little bit of mongrel that the Wigan pack has been missing since Newton moved on. Just for fun how about; www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 Maybe getting rid of Higham wasn't such a mistake after all.

Quote ="Rogues Gallery"He went well. Rather than make too many changes if we are really struggling I wouldn't have any problems putting him in the first team. Just to compare Mickey and Piggy [urlhttp://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2009&hp1=2075&hs2=2009&hp2=2385&stat=tries&season=2008[/url'" As you well know stats only tell part of the story, granted Piggy is the better player overall, but considering their respective reputations, experience, stage of career and likely cap numbers, can you really say that Piggy has been such a success? I can't. Macca is a work in progress and has both good and bad games, but is improving and offers that little bit of mongrel that the Wigan pack has been missing since Newton moved on. Just for fun how about; www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 Maybe getting rid of Higham wasn't such a mistake after all.

He is and so he should be, he's an experienced overseas player.

Mickey Mac is a superb up and coming young player.

Quote ="giwildgo"As you well know stats only tell part of the story, granted Piggy is the better player overall, but considering their respective reputations, experience, stage of career and likely cap numbers, can you really say that Piggy has been such a success? I can't. Macca is a work in progress and has both good and bad games, but is improving and offers that little bit of mongrel that the Wigan pack has been missing since Newton moved on. Just for fun how about; www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 Maybe getting rid of Higham wasn't such a mistake after all.'" Your first paragraph is spot on.

Quote ="giwildgo"As you well know stats only tell part of the story, granted Piggy is the better player overall, but considering their respective reputations, experience, stage of career and likely cap numbers, can you really say that Piggy has been such a success? I can't. Macca is a work in progress and has both good and bad games, but is improving and offers that little bit of mongrel that the Wigan pack has been missing since Newton moved on. Just for fun how about; www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2009 Maybe getting rid of Higham wasn't such a mistake after all.'" Your first paragraph is spot on.