I believe that after a very inconsistant season we can and will still finish 2nd in the table, it is quite within our own capabilities of winning the last two games, giving us home advantage against Catalans

Final positions for me are

Saints will win and lose one, 40pts, top of the pile.

Huddersfield to win both games, 37pts.

Cas will win and lose one, 36pts.

Wigan will win and lose one, 35pts.

Warrington will win and lose one, 35pts.

Leeds will win and lose one 34pts. (although they can win both for me)

Catalans will win both games 29pts.

Widnes will win both games 29pts.

Thoughts?

Now we're not going to retain our title all I'm bothered about is going into the play offs with a fully fit squad and with some momentum and belief off of a win against Saints in our final game.

To me I see as many benefits to finishing 5th as there are to finishing 2nd (one of many issues with the current play off system) so our final position doesn't matter to me at all, all that matters now is going into the play offs in the best possible shape.

Finish second and we will not be playing Catalans

1v 4
2v3
5v8
6v7

I can see us winning are remaining 2 games and finishing 2nd with results going our way. However if not I fancy 4th spot rather go to st Helens away and get a result then go to likes of Warrington Wigan or cas

Second would likely put us in the world club challenge next year !

Third might even......

is that not where you finish next season and not in 2014?

Says in 2015...and had 2014 one...?

Cas still in with a shout if they can put some points on wakey. Now how satisfying would it be to stick some points on saints and deny them the LLS on the last game of the season at the john smiths stadium!

Points Difference is irrelevant now. Cas can beat Wakey and the Dragons by 1 point each and Saints as long as Saints lose to us Cas will top the table. Saints were only 12 points difference ahead before last night. They will be about 15 behind them now.

Saints are still in front on points difference. Cas have to play Catalan away on the Saturday. What I meant was it would be nice to beat them with a few points and keep them in the dark about whether they have achieved it so it can't be awarded at our place!

dont think so julie at the mo cas have better points difference saints for 780 against 546 diff 234 cas f 782 a 546 d 249 if cas win up and we beat saints cas win LLS lets hope it turns out that way

How do we manage finishing 5th?

Well last night stuffed your theory.

We can't and carry any momentum into the play offs, unfortunately.

If we win both our last two worst we can come is fourth

well the final table by the OP wont be happening!

bad result for us lastnight, harder to get into the top 4

if saints do win the LLS at least it wont have to travel far

It's not harder - Anderson has had his sights on winning our last two - that's what hes said we need to do to finish top four- it's irrelevant what others do.

ok so the two that reach the grand final this year and whoever finishes 3rd in the table?! or will the playoffs have a bearing on the next highest placed finisher

Both grand finalists qualify and the next highest placed team. So if the final is 1v2 then 3rd place in the table qualify. If 1st aren't in the grand final then they get the third place. Pretty sure it's impossible to qualify if you finish outside the top 3 however nothing guarenteed unless you top the pile

If you win it from 4th - 8th it won't be impossible!

Highest Leeds can finish is fourth dependant on PD- last week they were being tipped for the LLS.

If you talk about momentum Leeds certainly don't have it at the moment having lost their last 4 SL games. Having said that I wouldn't read anything into that as they know how to peak at the right time - but they're leaving it mighty late this year.

We can theoretically still finish 2nd but it would need most results to go for us including a Wigan v Wire draw. If us and Cas win up we'll finish either 3rd or 4th depending on the Wigan v Wire result. Whoever wins that finishes 3rd - loser finishes 5th. If it's a draw Wigan 4th, Wire 5th us 3rd. All in all if we win up we can't finish lower than 4th.

Leeds might have to win it from 6th this year.

leeds will still be happy seeing as they have won a major trophy this year already

I don't buy this momentum malarkey. Leeds haven't left it later than any other year- remember us beating them easily with 12 men at the end of the season before they went on to win it- and Wigan lost 7 of their last 9 prior to winning the GF last year!!!
Four games. Makes sod all difference what happens prior to that!