After 7 games with 4 wins and 3 loses, what do we all think.
Not to paper over the cracks,but we have lost 3 games against the best 3 teams in the league and beat everyone else playing s**t.
We can only get better as time goes on and we start to Gel, so are things as bad as we are saying??

Im very worried that our passing and kicking is still shockingly bad..

The HB combination still needs time to gel. From what I saw against Huddersfield, the way we passed the ball, it looks like we may be finally starting to click. Myler seemed to have himself a good game, glad that Matty Russell is starting from FB now, it's just a question of who is the best pairing between Myler, Ratchford & O'Brien.

There is still a long way to go yet. Remember what everybody says; after 27 friendlies, the season starts in September.

The lucrative part of the season starts at East Hull.

Points for is poor for us but then you look at points conceded and in context it's not that bad with the exception of the Saints game in which we conceded 6 tries.

Huddersfield 2 tries
Salford 3 tries
Wigan 2 tries
Hull 3 tries
London 3 tries
Leeds 3 tries.

So if we can get to 20 points a game we have the defence to see it out

Lucrative? Everyone knows, that despite the Challenge Cup having the history, the competition everyone wants to win is the Grand Final. You're classed as Champions, you get to play the NRL winners.

I'm sorry to say, the Challenge Cup seems to be dying on it's backside. Poor crowds, Sky not interested in televising any games desipte having the rights to do so, amateurish coverage by the BBC (mainly camera work and commentary)

I thoroughly enjoyed our 3 cup wins, it's a fantastic weekend away, but I want us to win the Grand Final now, that's it. Another cup win would be a nice bonus, but the Grand Final is the big one.

On reflection we have had a horrendous start in terms of who we have had to play, we will get better once the partnerships start to gel and I have to say the second half against Hudds we did look so much better.

The challenge cup is only lucrative if you're
a) Lower league v SL (for the lower league club)
b) In the final

And even if you are in the final and win, your only reward is the trophy and a cash bonus probably. Nothing else.

Why do people always say things like this. Things can (and quite often do) get worse.

Doom



Edit: This is a general point about everything, not Warrington's season.

"Doomed, were all doomed!"

Private James Frazer

hasnt it always been that way

It's nothing to do with winning.
It's about reaching the CC final and making between £1m-£2m in merchandising.

I still have major reservations about the Myler-Ratchford axis but I think the time has probably come to stop experimenting and try and let things settle down and see where we are in a few weeks.

The next three league games are games we really, really should be winning and we have Wood & Harrison due back anytime, so with the exception of those two I'd go with the 17 that were on view at Huddersfield and try and establish some consistency and confidence, for better or worse.

Looking at the match "highlights" it seems that we have finally started score points and not by depending on kicks. This has got to be a big step forward in our improvement

My prediction all through the off season which I bored everyone with as usual was that our season would pan out like this

1. Before the season started lots of denial from our fans about the players we had lost: we don't need more forwards because we have got England coming in and young lads can step up, we don't need a new halfback because Myler will step up, we won lots of games without Briers before, look at Wigan they lost Finch, Leuluai and Carmont and people wrote them off and they won the double, why can't we?

2. When the season starts some major anguish as we find out we are badly missing the players we have lost, Smith being criticised for the first time.

3. As the season progresses we have mixed results but struggle along to a playoff position so things don't seem quite as bad as they did.

4. Season ends in a damp squib as we go down quite easily in the playoffs to the first decent team (eg Saints/Leeds/Wigan) we have to play, cue more anguish from the fans again and major post mortem/inquests about how half the team needs shipping out and TS has maybe taken us as far as he can.

So far I see nothing to change my prediction that this is how it will turn out.

The only thing I'm surprised hasn't happened yet is major calls for Kevin Penny to be in to turn around our season. I would have thought we would have had this by now because remember, Offiah and Bevan couldn't tackle either, there's no substitute for pace and we don't have anyone that can go the length. A few more defeats and maybe Penny will emerge as the great hope.

How much worse are we than last season when you take the same games into question ? i may be wrong but i think we are the same.
The loss to Wigan at home was counter balanced by the win at home to Hull all other games have gone as per last season, so even though we are not playing anywhere near as well, we are on par with last season and we have played the top 4 sides in 7 games ?

...and playing the top sides is a measure of where your at.
Unfortunately we lost all 3.
Hammered in 1st. (Saints)
Showed our backs lack of confidence in 2nd. (Leeds)
Embarrassed in to submission with forwards and displaying our downward spiralling kicking game that gets worse with each week instead of improving!! 3rd (Pies)

You can't judge where you are by comparing a small set of one seasons results against a different seasons, especially where you're also swapping teams. There are too many other factors that can come into play; different players, different form and luck on the day amongst other reasons.

The best way to judge is with your eyes and from what I can see, we're a mile off what we were last year and a lot further than back in 2011.

Last year we got better has the season went on. The players were managed in a way where everything from form to injuries all came together at the end of the season and got us to the play off final. For the first time, I think the fans bought into it as well, accepting an average start as it was the play offs that mattered.

I can't see that happening this year, we just don't have the players for it. This year is more of a transitional year where we get some more experience into our youngsters and I expect the level we have started at to continue throughout the season.

I agree will Sally's assessment although I don't think we'll struggle into the play offs, I think we'll end up finishing fourth or fifth. As Sally also says, I then expect us to go out to the first decent team we play.

I totally agree with Latchford Bob, this is definitely a transitional year and I dont expect anything more than a Playoff spot, and I certainly wont be calling for Smiths head. We need to make sure our youngsters are nurtured correctly and are able to make a massive difference in the years ahead.

I expect us to improve LABob and its most likely that we'll improve the greatest.

But being so far off the pace with so much to make up, when the other teams improve a little, it'll still leave us in their wake.

Why are we so far off the pace? we were narrowly beaten by Wigan and Leeds. I cant belive the negativity out there by our fans, yes we are playing poorly but we are not being smashed every week, in fact we are picking up wins and looking good at times. The defense is good and as long as the defense is good then the attack will come due to teams being frustrated and being exploited as they try everything to break us down.
It would not suprise me in the slightest if we are again fighting in the latter stages of all 3 trophy's.

The score lines may have been close but we never looked like winning at Leeds and we were awful against Wigan (who were also awful).

No ones saying we're poor and we're not getting smashed (Saints aside). We're still better than most teams in Superleague but we are nowhere near were we've been over the previous few years.

I fully expect the team to make a few people eat their words during August, September and October.

Let's hope so. I hope Myler is top of the assists charts, Asotasi is odds on for MoS and everyone one who ever uttered a word of concern or criticism, me included, are reflecting on their knee-jerk, short-sighted despair.

But, hand on heart, can you see it? I think our best chance of silverware starts this weekend.