Looking at the league table and recent form, what is going on at Warrington and if a few weeks guidance by Tim Sheens can be so effective (at Salford),
perhaps all clubs should employ him in short stints.
Warrington have dipped alarmingly and Salford are starting to look like top 4 contenders.

See how they go once Chase cops a ban, nasty little git.

Maybe its the Agar effect at the Wire!

Nobody will argue with that but, the turn around since Sheens cam over is staggering.

Personally I don't think that Warrington have found a playmaker to replace Lee Briers yet. I'm also wondering whether Tony Smith's been there a bit too long and they need a fresh face as head coach.

I think you've got to be careful heaping the praise in only one direction. Sheens status in the game and the respect he's offered mean that when he has something to say people listen. I don't doubt this. But Salfords rise has also coincided with getting a lot more things right off the field too, for which Harris should take credit for. Salford also had a tough start to the season facing Wire away then Saints at home at a time where teams were yet to settle. The only blip after this being Cas away, which as we know, is a tough ask anyway and pretty much our bogey side over the last few seasons. We've beaten Hull, Widnes, Wakey, Hudds and Wigan. But the turning point for me, was the draw away to Catalans. Not so much in the performance, but for the never give in attitude, something that the team lacked previously. That belief and willingness to fight for each other (Literally in some cases) goes a long way in telling you the real reason for Salford's current success.

Thin it's simply the face that the players at Salford are gelling now! They have top quality over the pitch! Now they are getting that understanding! Wire lost too much expeirance at key positions. Briers and Monaghan haven't been replaced! Clark has been disappointing! They need a class halfback and quick

You need to take the shackles off Clark, not sure what game plan Smith is playing him to but it's not working. You've taken the current MOS and asked him to play in a completely different way.

Coincidental our recent good form has come following a 3 week visit from Tim Sheens? Who knows, I there are plenty of factors such as releasing Gareth Hock but one thing for sure is Iestyn Harris deserves plenty of praise too. He's recruited well since he took over as head coach, he's got us playing tough, aggressive and skilful RL and the team spirit is extremely high.

Salford simply lie offside and slow the ptb down - difference is they are getting away with it, probably copied Saints after being tonked

Most clubs do that and there is no doubt that if you do it well, you will have an advantage but, they (Salford) now seem to be playing with belief that wasn't there at the start of the season.

Warrington on the other hand..........................

Good effort Mo. Make sure you watch the highlights later today, we scored some fantastic tries against Wigan. Particularly Ben Jones-Bishops individual effort, what a player that lad is.

It also coincided with Hock leaving. Was he a negative influence on playmakers like Chase?

Warrington=Agar!

The Jonah of Rugby League clubs (add the French national side to that)!.

I stood at Salford yesterday thinking to myself about how you've picked up since Hock left. Whilst at Wigan we didn't win a thing yet whilst he was banned or when he left we picked up plenty.

2010-Banned-Won LLS and Grand Final

2011- Banned half the season- Won Challenge cup

2012- Played all year- Won LLS but flopped in semis of both CC and GF.

2013- Left- Won the CC and GF double.

Makes you wonder.

He's made a good start at Leigh

I'm bloody glad you lot let hock go! Nobody can doubt the lad is world class yes???? He made a good start on Monday and let's not beat around the bush Workington were niggling at him he just kept he's head and come back with some big shots! The lad has been a liability in the past no doubt but he looked hungry on Monday long may it continue

How do Leigh afford Hock and Fui Fui Moi Moi, plus an entire full time squad, under the Championship salary cap

Hock *should* be playing for free, its surely his last chance in the sport at professional level.

Always does for a few weeks/months. We'll see how he goes in a few months when he's not on his best behaviour anymore.

It's a risk worth taking pal

For Leigh I fully agree. They're a club on the up who want to get in to superleague and Hock is an unbelievable talent. At his best he's as good as any forward in world rugby league but his issues have ruined his career.

He's got this opportunity at Leigh now to try and turn things around. If he can have a positive few years before retirement his talent may not have all been wasted.

Changing a lifetimes worth of habits though can be difficult.

Jesus Christ, he looked good against a part-time Workington team that was probably littered with some young kids from Wigan on DR? He should be looking good against opposition like that. A proper test of his character, ability and mental state will be in the games against Bradford and Super League opposition during the Super 8's (or whatever name has been given to the split!).

No doubt he's a good (not great) player on his day, but since he left our performances on the pitch has increased ten-fold and the team spirit is visibly 100% better.

Hopefully it turns out to be a good move for both Salford and Leigh.

Why are you denigrating Hock's playing ability ?

On his day, he is world class and is a handful for ANY defence.
IF he keeps his head, he will be a fantastic player for Leigh but, its a big IF.
Just because he "failed" at Salford, it's no reason to relegate him to "good".

Think the problem at wire was they relied on their forwards laying a platform for their half-backs who then usually kicked for Joel to score.....from what i've seen so far the forwards aren't making the yards and their half-backs aren't anywhere near the standard of Briers and co in the past, alas we see Joel with only 2 ?? tries this year i think they said on Sky.