People have been whinging for years that Salford's crowds have been dismal yet I havent seen a single thread about the disgraceful crowds at Celtic Crusaders this year?

And please don't go on about them being a rookie club because the hype that they'd get a good following obviously hasn't materialized, so is this the future of Dickie Lewis's expansion baby?

Don't let it upset you so.

Deep breaths . . .

Give them a chance to get some wins on the board.

salford have been around for as long as CC ?

the junior development and media that CC gets puts many current SL clubs to shame

salford got into SL on the promise of a new stadium where construction was due to start now

To be fair, that was the lowest crowd of the season so far and only the fourth home game. Crowds of approx 5,000, 6,000 and 3,000 have been recorded before that. Not bad for the first year and with no wins on the board.

I agree. I was against their inclusion as it was un-earned, but now they are in we should stop griping about their attendances and look to them improving, lets face it there are many an established club who would love those figures.

They are not far off their first win I am sure and I will be looking forward to my trip to South Wales with Rovers.

Good luck

Exactly, there are always going to be peaks and troughs in the attendances but I don't think yours are anything to worry about yet, indeed most are probably more than most from outside the area would have thought you would get. Hopefully you will get a win soon in order to grab the attention of more people and hopefully get more to your subsequent games.

But no matter what you do it is never going to be good enough for some people unfortunately.

4,372 is the average crowd figure this season in Wales
3,343 is the average at Quins RL....and Salfords is 4,945 and I personally think that us and Salfords crowds are more worrying than the welsh.

If you take it that we brought 300 to the Celtic game on Easter Monday, this means that Celtic Crusaders have 2,700 fans at present and this is their first year in SL. Once they get a couple of wins under their belts, they will see crowds grow again.
Salford and QuinsRL really need to buck up our ideas and quickly, because any team averging under 5,000 a game is an embarrasment.

The problem seems to be noone wants to watch a team that loses every game. Shame they couldn't have had another season in the Championship and come up next year as then they might be good enough to compete on the field with everyone else. As it is they might not win a game all season

If they are still getting these crowds in 10 years or so then its time to worry a bit. RL fans are way too impatient

And obsessed with numbers, were they all Adrian Mole like at the age of 13 and 3/4?

I remain unconvinced that

Gan Eden

equals

"RL fans"

Lots of people, either on here or people who I have met and know, are too impatient over a lot of things. From the expansion clubs, to the international game, to the Magic weekend

why would another year in the championship have made us good enough for the superleague? only the superleague can make you good enough for the superleague. I really enjoyed the years in the lower league some great rugby, great fans and more winning obviously

but the gap is so painful.
the attendances will flux for different reasons, as for all clubs. is our variation any more alarming then say leeds who can go from 13k to 17 dependng on who they are playing? at the moment the opponents are very important - sorry but unsurprisingly st helens, wigan etc will attract more coverage and attendance then castleford.
I dont have conclusive proof but i think people have been enjoying sat evenings more then sunday afternoons for some reason. we will see if that holds up later in the season.
the media is kinda pre-occupied with cardiff city pushing for promotion to the premiership (and the return of the swansea-cardiff derby) as well as the bloody blues deciding to do something for once in their existence. we started very well, get a fair amount of ongoing coverage, but it will pick up later in the year. we need to make the summer our own. in fact we've started to develop a relationship with the other summer sport - cricket, who in case we forget have a little matter of an ashes test this summer

(for example they sell our merchandise and tickets at sophia gardens!)
The pyramid of player development has come on leaps and bounds with 10 teams putting out from 2-3 (im not sure if they all get out a full complement) junior sides which is feeding into four regional train on squads which is feeding into at the crusaders under 16s, under 18s and the reserves (now to be under 20s'). so the roots are deepening.
lots more needs to be done and we are not going to do a catalans at this moment but overall an area of over 2 million people has a serious rugby league presence where before none existed, thousands of youngsters now have a serious choice in rugby codes where before there was just one. thats the real nature of expansion. obsess about headline crowd figures if you like but try and keep a mind of the broader picture.

werent le catalans crowds sub 4000 when they first started out? theyre doing alright now....

Why? They need to be financially viable long before 10 years after joining or they'll fold. Those crowds aren't enough to run a club on.

Yes but their first SL crowd was 11000, a bit of a difference between a French Elite crowd and a SL crowd

Yes because junior development really pays the bills

To any mind but that of a short-termist economic illiterate village idiot, yes, it does.

Personally the whole dumb thread smacks of a juvenile who has simply been aching for a smaller crowd to be posted all season long, and took great pleasure in ejaculating the nasty OP at what he saw as the first opportunity. Grow up, ffs.

they need to win simple as

its hard to market a team thats languishing at the bottom of the table

I dont think a club needs good crowds to be financially viable. They need good crowds if they want to be financially well off

its all about winning as me being a giants fan can testify, we we were first in sl and losing every week for years our crowds were on a par with celtics now look at them currently averaging over 9000, so give it time.

Gateshead went bust (well taken over) after a season of higher crowds than this, so what crowds the club gets 10 years down the line is irrelevent. Also first season crowds tend to be higher, not lower, than clubs eventually get. London Broncos got high crowds when they started SL and now Quins crowds are only getting worse, and over 12 years of SL there certainly hasn't seen any improvement, so why should it at Crusaders. If the club start to win then things will change, but can't see that happening any time soon

Well you need good crowds or a rich backer ultimately. Crusaders seem to have the latter at the moment

I dont remember catalan getting below 4000 in thier first year but someone mite have the stats to prove me wrong.