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| Quote ="freddies wig"err,,,, there is no competition from any other pro club in wales, cos there isnt one. Crusaders are the only one!!!!!!! Der'"
I think he's on about the competition from that "other sport" who will pick off any talent that Celtic produce like a peregrine falcon who's got five kids to feed.
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| first i've heard about home games being played else where. mind you the guardian isn't exactly the best paper in the country is it.
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| Quote ="freddies wig"err,,,, there is no competition from any other pro club in wales, cos there isnt one. Crusaders are the only one!!!!!!! Der'"
glad to see you really put some thought into it
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| Quote ="Ashulster"Why do Crusaders not own brewery field anymore? Did they ever own it? Why risk having union have you kicked out of your ground.'"
the lease was owned by leighton samuels company, dekor. the football club had a ton of dosh from selling their ground to tescos which apparently they had to spend on a groud by a deadline (dont ask me why!) so they bought the lease from dekor. good business all round you would think. it depends how much they hate samuels and league seeming that they would risk their entire business by ing off their buggest tenant.
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| Had the RFL given up on Celtic before they got started? For me the decision to move the 'Magic' weekend away from Wales was bizarre. Celtic are struggling for crowds and won't win a game this season, yet the RFL decide Scotland is a more suitable venue for growth and expansion. They should have gone to Cardiff once more and promoted the hell out of it. Any Welshies attending would be prime candidates for a spot on the terrace at Celtic, but because MM is now in Scotland of all places, they won't be turning up to give it a go at all.
The sport is run by idiots.
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| As long as Celtic are still able to operate then their attendances while not good are not a problem at this time
A win at home will help and eventually they will get one
Long term might be a different matter , but thats for another day
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| Quote ="Starbug"As long as Celtic are still able to operate then their attendances while not good are not a problem at this time
A win at home will help and eventually they will get one
Long term might be a different matter , but thats for another day'"
wow thats a surprising post from you
well said.
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| Quote ="freddies wig"I wish they'd all stop banging on about their junior development in wales. They're the only pro club in a whole bloody country. I'd be worried if they weren't attached to local clubs, how hard can it be with no competition?'"
your wig is on too tight.
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| Quote ="jannerboyuk"well without looking at the criteria (cant be d right now) i would imagine the rfl would have the sense to put things into context. first thing: attendances over 3 years which is fair enough but also the extra press coverage, the juniors, samuels dosh, the wales team, just the whole presence of rugby league in a new market. Its unfair that we have these advantages over the smaller heartland teams buts that life and i think for the health of the game overall these things need to be taken into account.
Its worth noting (not knowing how this works with other clubs) but the crusaders really do underpin the development of the code in wales. i mentioned the junior teams being put out. it was a pilot scheme last season and now its going full blown this season. These are the teams:
* Blackwood Bulldogs
* Bridgend Blue Bulls
* Cardiff Demons
* Dinefwr Sharks
* Neath Port Talbot Steelers
* Newport Titans
* Penallta Storm
* Pontyclun Panthers
* Rhyl Coasters
* Swansea Dragons
* Torfaen Tigers
* Tydfil Wildcats
* Valley Cougars
* West Wales Wild Boars
So in two years we have gone from no junior teams to 14 (although rhyl are doing there own thing) x2 or 3 (under 13s, under 15s and under 17s i think). All part of a pyramid of development with the crusaders at the apex with a ton of the coaching done by crusaders players and coaches. So thats what around 600 kids playing rugby league who were not beforehand. Seems like decent numbers to me.'"
The whole of Wales is not part of Celtic Crusaders for junior development though, those are separate clubs, about half of which pre-date the Crusaders. Amateur clubs in Leeds aren't counted as part of the Rhinos club, never mind those in places like York, so why should all Welsh clubs (including Rhyl, which has about as much to do with Bridgend as Wakefield has to do with Northampton) be classed as part of the Crusaders. And before you say it a SL club is NOT in any way shape or form essential for junior development, the midlands and Scotland both have full junior leagues at 3 age groups with not so much as a Championship club between them, let alone a SL club. Junior development should be in place before joining SL, not the other way round (though SL would of course increase it to some degree)
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| Quote ="bowes"The whole of Wales is not part of Celtic Crusaders for junior development though, those are separate clubs, about half of which pre-date the Crusaders. Amateur clubs in Leeds aren't counted as part of the Rhinos club, never mind those in places like York, so why should all Welsh clubs (including Rhyl, which has about as much to do with Bridgend as Wakefield has to do with Northampton) be classed as part of the Crusaders. And before you say it a SL club is NOT in any way shape or form essential for junior development, the midlands and Scotland both have full junior leagues at 3 age groups with not so much as a Championship club between them, let alone a SL club. Junior development should be in place before joining SL, not the other way round (though SL would of course increase it to some degree)'"
isnt it? says who?
the clubs may have pre-dated the crusaders but the junior sections dont and have been created on the back of the four regional train-on squads coached and organised by the crusaders providing a direct route into the under 16s and under 18s as well as generating new players for everyone by holding open trials.
I already noted rhyl was developing seperately (north wales in shock different from south wales shocker) so what? thats one club.
Err alright mate before i say something i never had any intention of saying. Right on dude.
Thats your opinion, as a sport whether we like it not we take what we can get. Get over it.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Had the RFL given up on Celtic before they got started? For me the decision to move the 'Magic' weekend away from Wales was bizarre. Celtic are struggling for crowds and won't win a game this season, yet the RFL decide Scotland is a more suitable venue for growth and expansion. They should have gone to Cardiff once more and promoted the hell out of it. Any Welshies attending would be prime candidates for a spot on the terrace at Celtic, but because MM is now in Scotland of all places, they won't be turning up to give it a go at all.
The sport is run by idiots.'"
Bet they do!
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| Sat May 23rd..... Celtic v Catalans Live on SKY? WTF are they thinking? An already small crowd will be even smaller unless the Bridgend club manage to pressgang every school kid within 100 miles
FFS.....Sky need their heads looking at.
If Cas brought 500 last week, then the Celts have managed to lose 400 fans since the Quins game. If that's the case, then by the time the frogs arrive, we could well see less than 1,500 at a game....great advert
I would have had the reverse fixture on TV. Games v St's, Wigan and Leeds usually result in our biggest crowds and it may well be the same for the Welsh, but they would be better off showing the games against marquee clubs as against the french, who travel in even smaller numbers than we do. At least you have a chance of a few extra home fans wanting to see the best/most well known clubs in SL........
Calling the people who run this game idiots is an insult to idiots
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| Gerald McCarthy... Isnt that who left the Crusaders backroom recently?
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| Quote ="The Chronicler of Chiswic"Looks as if it's been lifted off a thread currently running on the TotalRL forum.'"
Oh come on, it's isn't the first time and he isn't the only one either
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| Quote ="The Key"Lots of people, either on here or people who I have met and know, are too impatient over a lot of things. From the expansion clubs, to the international game, to the Magic weekend'"
Thats quite true, but again you can lay the blame for this firmly at the RFL's door.
Whilst 'license' PR might tell you that it's 'giving clubs time to develop', really what it is saying is that you need a posh stadium, half your squad to be homegrown and 10k + attendances all within 3 years or you face the boot.
It's a sad fact that whilst being introduced under the guise of helping and taking the pressure off clubs, it's actually piled it on to them and left the fans bickering over who is more likely to achieve impossible targets.
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| Quote ="reddan"you need a posh stadium, half your squad to be homegrown and 10k + attendances all within 3 years or you face the boot.'"
2 OUT OF THREE FOR US......phew
HKR are fooked with 1/3 though
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| Quote ="Brew"Gerald McCarthy... Isnt that who left the Crusaders backroom recently?'"
yup. was serving behind the bar last time i saw him!
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| It was clear from the poor squad they assembled that they were always going to struggle. As said attracting fans to a team that is winless is always going to be a hard sell. Do they have the money to be a SL club? That is the biggie for me, a new club in a new area needs significantly more money in order to attract decent players and market itself. If CC have that sort of money is very doubtful. Fingers crossed they get better on and off the field, SL will be so much better with a strong Welsh team.
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| they aren't a proper club
fans, future, history all non existent
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"It was clear from the poor squad they assembled that they were always going to struggle. As said attracting fans to a team that is winless is always going to be a hard sell. Do they have the money to be a SL club? That is the biggie for me, a new club in a new area needs significantly more money in order to attract decent players and market itself. If CC have that sort of money is very doubtful. Fingers crossed they get better on and off the field, SL will be so much better with a strong Welsh team.'"
who was around for us to buy when the team was being brought together for superleague? cant splash the cash when the shelves are empty. throwing money at marketing is not always effective, it needs a strategy. not saying we are not skint (cuz i simply have no idea one way or the other) just dont think you can tell from those two points. next year maybe.
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| Quote ="fatabbott"they aren't a proper club
fans, future, history all non existent'" Spot on!
The game will never work in rah rah land!
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| Great! Let's fly that white flag proudly.
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| Quote ="GanEden"Spot on!
The game will never work in rah rah land!'"
we will wait and see and some of us will do everything that we can to make sure it does as well as support those who are trying to make it succeed BECAUSE it is in the interests of the game of RL as a whole.
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