I thought it looked a tough game with defense on top for long periods.

I just think Cas ran out of steam

don't you mean micky cack?...i watched him the other night against the giants...all he did was act as halfback and pass the ball..(then he knocked on near the giants line)...then he got took off...ive yet to see this overated hooker make a break like roby or clarke....micky cack wouldn't give roby that much room you say..no he would proball'y stick his leg out and trip him up...grossly OVERATED!......

so basically a hooker is just supposed to scoot?

now we know why u love Roby so much. Maybe you should go back and watch the win's against leeds and warrington and see how he played in a those games as he played more than 20 minutes, also those games would be a lot more representative of an ENG-AUS and not that shower u played last night or our game against huddersfield.


That was a terribly boring game it was as if there was a rule that you can't pass the ball more than twice in a set, i think Jordan Turner try was the only exciting move put on. I don't think you will face another team that will throw so little at you.

Almost perfect play-off football, albeit against terrible opposition. It's hard to judge how effective a similar performance will be next time out as Cas folded as soon as Turner scored.

The next game will be a war and I hope the lads will be ready for it.

I hope you are not trying to compare Paddy Wack with Roby because its a useless excercise. To avoid embarrassment I won,t post up Roby,s influential stats against Paddy Wacks.
He is far superior though in giving thuggish penalties away, if this is what you mean then you are correct in your post.

I thought it was a top quality performance. The kicking game from turner was top draw and also lance and Roby put some very good kicks in.

We did the basics very well. We didn't get carried away and try and over play, it was simple but very effective from all 17.

James Roby for me was a machine. He was everywhere and he showed clarke what it takes to play well in big big games.

There was only one frustrating thing and that was Mose and his run up before taking the ball. Everyone around us was saying the same thing in that he is still taking the ball up too flat.
He did have 2 carries where he was at speed and made metres, its still frustating that the team and Mose himself have not sorted this out to make him more effective.

Whilst it was a convincing victory for Saints it told us more about where Cas are than where Saints are.

Nice try but I disagree to an extent.

The first 15mins was a good arm wrestle and we came out on top. We needed that.

Second half was a breeze and yeah Cas weren't great.

The same goes for the Wigan game to a lesser extent. It was more how poor Huddersfield were than how good Wigan were, the same goes for Saints v Cas. Hard to see how good Saints and Wigan are playing when their opposition folded like a house of cards.

It was fun though, especially given our previous showing at Langtree Park.

That maybe so but I bet his average gain is up around 10m a carry when the stats come out. He had a very good game and was one of the main reasons we became so dominant in the period just before half time.

He has the potential to make 10 metres average carry but ended up with stats similar to Amor just over 8 metres. We need more "wrecking ball" from him which is mass x accelaration, if we can get him running in a similar way to the Wigan game then he will become more of a game changer, same goes for Walmsley hit them at speed.

YOU TRYING TO TELL ME ABOUT HOOKERS THEN?....CUNNINGHAM (the bloke whose statue stands outside our ground).........mickey cack how laughable!..

I liked the bit in the match program where McManus said "James Roby is too good to be in the Dream Team". He's a bit more than a "scoot" our James.

Dynamo Roby tries 7 Try assist 20 Tackles 1054 Metres 2980 Tackle Busts 62 Clean Breaks 10

Paddy Wack tries 2 Try Assist 1 Tackles 376 Metres 706 Tackle Busts 16 Clean Breaks 2


Oh, Oh, Oh, as the Wigan Fans call him a one trick pony

so are you trying to say your Kerion Cunningham? If so what does that change? nothing every time Roby plays against Wigan he is Ineffective every time McIlorum plays in a big game he is a stand out because he's not a one trick pony.

your right there about micky cack standing out....he either thumps someone or tackles someone after they have passed the ball....he'd be better off standing outside selling hot-dogs!

So i take it your not KC?

it must hurt saints fans that McIlorum always ends up on the winning side and the better hooker in the game when he is "micky cak"

.......have a sit down..your rambling!!!

Agree with the comment about it being too hard to tell if Saints and Wigan were very good when their opposition were so awful. Hudds and Cas were 3rd and 4th in the League, that's what's worrying.

As for Roby/McIlorum debate, Brown in his warning to McNamara about Clark said the Intl 9s should be Roby and Mic Mac. They are both great for their clubs in their different ways as both teams play the game totally different from each other.
Both suit their own club's style.

He said it should be Roby and Clark playing for England in his interview on Friday. I agree with him.

Don't see why people argue about mickey mac vs roby or any players for that matter.

Roby is the better player IMO.
And to be honest I don't care if other fans don't rate mcilorum, because we are a good side, we win a lot of games, and more often than not in the big games mcilorum is one of our most important players.
Its irrelevant if saints fans think he's crap, as I watch him every week and see him as one of our most important players, people can think what they want, and mcilorum will keep on winning us games.

Completely agree about cas and hudds not allowing us to see a true reflection of out teams performances. I'm just praying for a saints vs wigan final, that would be great with a fantastic atmosphere.

I don't think mm is even in the same league as robes ability wise. I'd take Roby before most hookers in world rugby league.

However, I think MM is very effective to the Wigan play in he fits into everything Wigan are about and I don't think the pies are the same team without him.

Aye, he's the dirtiest of a team of dirty players alright

I bet you are! You would destroy us!