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So the club have set up a group of people to help us get ready for the Img proposals. On the face of this it looks like a good move by the club to prepare for what is to come with regards to the gradings set out by Img and gives us the best chance possible to get the highest grading we can.
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Looks like we have some educated people on board and it’s great to see real long term planning for the club . The shadow and lack of clarity around img is probably one of the reasons why we haven’t gone all in on the recruitment front and why we’re seeing more emphasis on the wheelchair and women’s teams . Would be frustrating if the meeting is called off today with the predicted bad weather.
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It was interesting reading the groups Bios. Let’s hope they are able to move the club forward in whatever IMG decide to instigate “for the good of the game.” I hope it is for the good of the game at all leaves and not just the SL teams. I feel that to strengthen our sport the lower leagues and amateur games need to be supported to get more people watching and playing not just more money in SL clubs. The stronger the roots of a tree are the healthier the top of tree is. Having strong, well supported championship and champ 1 and A team comps and academies the stronger the top tear and our international teams will be.
However I feel, despite all the talk of expanding the women’s and wheelchair game, it will be very SL focused and in favour of those teams. Glad the club have appointed these people. Let’s hope the meeting is still on.
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To me it always feels like the womens team was just a box ticking exersize rather than the club been fully behind it, I mean they have not even been allowed to play a game at the Shay and instead basically moved the Brighouse team and farmed them off up to Ovenden and at the moment the team is a long way off the standard required to play at Championship level nevermind SL. When you compare to Swinton and Sheffield who have been fully backed by their clubs its easy to see we are a long way off.
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Everything must start somewhere and somethings will be more advanced than others, hard to say much until everyone knows what’s going on but at least we’ve made a start.
I just hope that whatever boxes there’s are to tick those that set them out realise there’s a price to pay with little money available to do so.
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| Not a lot's changed there then. When you attempt to improve a sport and only 25% of your solutions are connected to performance summat's badly wrong! Hopefully Fax don't vote in favour of these proposals. BTW, what's fandom?  |
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| Quote ="Hudd-Shay"Not a lot's changed there then. When you attempt to improve a sport and only 25% of your solutions are connected to performance summat's badly wrong! Hopefully Fax don't vote in favour of these proposals. BTW, what's fandom?
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Not saying it’s right just adding to the conversation.
From the pundit chatter i’ve heard and read about the feeling was that performance on the field will have more chance of sustainable success the more you have the other things in place and that line of thinking is based on the fate of past clubs who went all in on performance, failed to win anything and went into decline even our near neighbours who had success couldn’t maintain it.
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Some talent on the IPG. Exciting times and important times for the club.
Can’t help feeling that with being in the championship we are hamstrung when it comes to point scoring in the criteria - best way to have £4 million turnover, 10,000 attendance and 40% of stadium being used is to be playing the very best week in and week out in a vibrant competition with risk, surely..?
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| Quote ="Listenup94"https://www.rugby-league.com/uploads/docs/IMG%20&%20Rugby%20League%20Grading%20Criteria%5B81%5D.pdf
Bit more in-depth.'"
That is very interesting and looks good...if you're already in SL and receiving all the benefits of such. On the face of it it's summat to aim for but it's like sending a child into the sweet shop with no brass. Any non SL clubs voting in favour of this charade might as well be turkeys voting for Christmas. |
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| Quote ="Hudd-Shay"That is very interesting and looks good...if you're already in SL and receiving all the benefits of such. On the face of it it's summat to aim for but it's like sending a child into the sweet shop with no brass. Any non SL clubs voting in favour of this charade might as well be turkeys voting for Christmas.
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Well at least provisionally the targets have been set out, how realistic it is for clubs such as us who have ambitions to reach them is another thing but whether they can or can’t it will be down to them to determine what current level each of them is at.
Because of being in the highest division it was inevitable that the existing SL clubs would be better placed for an initial higher grading.
Since the goal is always to aim upwards IMG were always going to start at the top.
With that in mind the reasoning is, why should the best of the sport of rugby league (SL) lower the standards to match that of say the Championship?
Or the second best, Championship to Championship 1 level, would we be happy to do that?
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is hardly Rugby League reimagined. Below is the list of criteria for SL licensing for 2009-2011
Geographical expansion
The final point goes to clubs who do not have another rugby league club within a 20-mile radius
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Like I said whatever the proposals are they were always going to favour the current SL clubs and I can’t ever see a scenario where Keighley or Fax for that matter would be used as the models to set the standards.
Will the proposed standards create a closed shop of just 12 clubs?
I thought it was said that if and when more clubs reached the cat A & B standards then the number clubs in the elite comp would increase so you could end up with say 14 if enough qualified?
As long as the standards for the A&B cats were maintained then they would remain in the elite group.
This was the reason for the move away from totally relying on on field performance to avoid the yo yo situation of promotion and relegation where the newly promoted clubs often came straight back down.
Hard to keep up over the last few months with all the chatter and what is real and what is speculation so I might have dreamed it.
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Like I said whatever the proposals are they were always going to favour the current SL clubs and I can’t ever see a scenario where Keighley or Fax for that matter would be used as the models to set the standards.
Will the proposed standards create a closed shop of just 12 clubs?
I thought it was said that if and when more clubs reached the cat A & B standards then the number clubs in the elite comp would increase so you could end up with say 14 if enough qualified?
As long as the standards for the A&B cats were maintained then they would remain in the elite group.
This was the reason for the move away from totally relying on on field performance to avoid the yo yo situation of promotion and relegation where the newly promoted clubs often came straight back down.
Hard to keep up over the last few months with all the chatter and what is real and what is speculation so I might have dreamed it.
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Well said Keighley. This is absolutely spot on, 100%! How other clubs can't or won't see what is happening is beyond me. We need to get P&R locked in, get rid of the ridiculous loop fixtures in SL and aim to have 14 clubs in that division. Then market the sport from there. After all we keep saying we have the best sport in the world, which we have I believe, we just need people at the top to get realistic and market the game as such and stop trying to push pie in the sky ideas which have almost ruined Rugby League at all levels. Up The Fax! icon_thumb.gif |
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Well said Keighley. This is absolutely spot on, 100%! How other clubs can't or won't see what is happening is beyond me. We need to get P&R locked in, get rid of the ridiculous loop fixtures in SL and aim to have 14 clubs in that division. Then market the sport from there. After all we keep saying we have the best sport in the world, which we have I believe, we just need people at the top to get realistic and market the game as such and stop trying to push pie in the sky ideas which have almost ruined Rugby League at all levels. Up The Fax! icon_thumb.gif | |
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| Quote ="faxcar"Like I said whatever the proposals are they were always going to favour the current SL clubs and I can’t ever see a scenario where Keighley or Fax for that matter would be used as the models to set the standards.
Will the proposed standards create a closed shop of just 12 clubs?
I thought it was said that if and when more clubs reached the cat A & B standards then the number clubs in the elite comp would increase so you could end up with say 14 if enough qualified?
As long as the standards for the A&B cats were maintained then they would remain in the elite group.
This was the reason for the move away from totally relying on on field performance to avoid the jo jo situation of promotion and relegation where the newly promoted clubs often came straight back down.
Hard to keep up over the last few months with all the chatter and what is real and what is speculation so I might have dreamed it.
Just have wait for what the clubs have to say.'"
Like I say I’m gonna reserve judgement until there’s more clarity on the situation, the grading system seems quite complex and probably needs to be simplified for the average Joe just wanting to support their club . With onfield performance only contributing 25% does that enthuse teams to actually play to their best , who knows , usually onfield performance and fandom ties together but fax who have had two good seasons haven’t seen a significant rise in attendances . I’m also not sure super league is the promised land , as a product I find it quite boring. What’s ironic is that rugby league has spent the last 30 years trying to make it what it was three decades ago , a great product. |
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When involvement of IPG was first muted I naively hoped that they would be coming up with new ideas to raise the profile of the game, or increase levels of investment/sponsorship. As has been said this feels just like a very modest revamp of old licencing guidelines. It's almost as though no one has put any thought onto it for 12 months, then suddenly realised they had a week to produce something so just dug out the old licencing guidelines and reworded them slightly. While I'm realistic enough to realise that some change to the promotion/relegation structure is needed, if the main aim of the proposals is to increase crowd numbers, having a system that only applies 25% to onfield performance shows a complete lack of understanding about what motivates supporters to back their team.
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[Part quote="Ilkley Fax"While I'm realistic enough to realise that some change to the promotion/relegation structure is needed, if the main aim of the proposals is to increase crowd numbers, having a system that only applies 25% to onfield performance shows a complete lack of understanding about what motivates supporters to back their team.
Regarding the performance weighting it’s because everybody knows what draws in the crowds and expects every sports team to try and win every game regardless so they won’t need any encouragement in that area.
For years the first team is where all the money had been spent whilst other areas have been neglected so making them more important is intended to give more incentive to invest in them.
Not saying it’s the right or wrong approach, just offering an explanation.
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Let’s face it the new proposals are just rehashed versions of previous licensing. The player pool isn’t big enough to support a professional league of over 12 teams both financially and the onfield product. The main issue is and always will be distribution of money by the rfl through the sky tv deal , without transparency and complete objective governance the teams will by enlarge remain in their current status unless a rich benefactor is put in place to overturn the status quo. You can have all the points systems you want but without money you might as well fight the wind .
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