I understand what your saying about the fans to a degree, and not being there at the press confrence i'm hardly in a position to comment on the context of the quotes.

It seems a bit knee jerk this reported culling, it makes me wonder if its fan pressure thats brought it about, considering its taken this long, if it is fan pressure this would raise a few flags with me.

The other issue is a straight forward coaching issue, full time SL players should IMO not need to go back to basics.

One other thing he said what was very strange, at the start of the season, when asked about the partnership between Thorman and Horne, he said somthing along the lines of "they are coming up with that many new moves I can't keep up"

The culling aint knee jerk it is long overdue IMO!

The Thorman signing has been bad from the start. He simply isnt up to the job of organising Hull FC. Bad call. However the Horne situation is more delicate with his illness and stuff.

Like i said Agar has a hell of a lot to prove to us all as a Super League coach and his only saving grace at the mo is his quality recruitment. By signing experienced players alongside some quality young players suggests that there is a plan. You may disagree but I hope there is!

I hope there is to be fair.

But like someone once said, its alright having all the ingredients for a cake its another thing baking it, you only have to loke at Cullens recruitment at Warrington world class players and they were at the bottom, I really think you need to bring in a proven coach, and I don't mean Sharpe, you only have to look at hudds since he left.

At the end of the day we have been to 2 challenge cup finals and 1 grand final in the last four years. As a fan that is awesome. Going to the major finals as a fan of the team playing is second to none, unbelelievable!

maybe some players thought they had made it by doing this and slacked. Who knows.

I guess your point is Agar is the problem? We will see very soon cos although he is in charge next season I am sure plans are in place if he doesnt turn things around.

That was my point, I however think you deserve better, I don't believe your most recent sucesses have been down to Agar, it seens the more it became 'his team' the more your onfield problems worsened, I don't think that with the right coach in place it would take very long to sort out, look how quick Smith turned Wolves around.

As I said from the start Agar has it all to prove to me and many others. I guess the proof of the pudding is next year when he (hopefully) has a fully fit squad including players like Fitzgibbon, O'Meley, Long and Berrigan. Surely if he is that poor these players will have a say.

We will see!

I hope your right, as I can't see O'Meley and Fitz putting up with rubbish.

And yet by all accounts only Hall had to do this until Thormnan gave Agar no choice what so ever.
But hey ho Hall has no reason to be upset I guess even though he was the obvious scapegoat, Just 1 question would you say Hall is a Fullback seeing as it seemed to be his mistakes in that position that made Agar single him out and send him out in the first place?

send him out on loan? i'm sure i read it was halls idea, might be wrong though.

A transfer fee (or player exchange) would compensate for that

You're not.

is it still a possibilty that he could go? i cant see a player exchange tbh the players hkr would release arent the players hull would need/want imo.

What would be the benefit to FC in a player excange? (cash wont happen)

I was saying on our board yesterday (and this is no way reflective of rovers current squad) but why would we swap a young kid that could be a future england international with 10 years playing in front of him for 1 or 2 seasons of an arguably better player?

Ah, so that's why Club Rovers was rushed through and passes are up +23% in price - electronic turnstiles to stop people getting for nowt and a fee for Craig Hall.

Calm down.................just playing devils advocate on the fact he's contracted to Hull till 2010

Stop trying to spoil my weekend then. You know full well I've always been a big champion of Hall's.

shame he will never be a big champion of you............... now if you were a geezer

Think you are talking total b0llox personally. Maybe if you spoke sense and didnt spend all your life having a pop at FC people may just take you seriously?

well said

So any truth in a swap for cooke?

It's all hinging on the Lockyer deal.


Oh and...

old and crock? Lockyer is on his way to us!

can someone please explain why you find my original post bizarre?

i said its a rumour that hes signed......... doesnt mean he 100% has does it....?

and if you think players dont talk to people when they are under contract you may well be right....... but if you think players agents dont talk then you are very much deluded, yes its against the rules but that doesnt stop it happening - and i dont think it ever will.

It's strange because Craig Hall is a contracted Hull FC player until the end of 2010 season. For him to be playing for Rovers next year would therefore mean:
1) It's another Cooke scenario, possible but unlikely since this 2 year deal was done a year ago, so would doubt that his contract is unsigned (although this is FC we are talking about, so not impossible)
2) FC gave permission to Hall to find another club.

The point about agents talking to clubs etc would be valid if Hall were OOC at the end of this season, as there is undoubtedly tapping up of players going on before the 1 September deadline, but you are saying he is signing for Rovers for 2010 when he is still contracted to FC for that season. So really what you're saying is that FC are releasing Hall a year early.

As was pointed out, its bizaar as he is under contract until the end of next season, as even if it was till the end of this season, players can't be approached until 1st September, not only that, i know alot of people involved with the club and its not a rumour doing the rounds again