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| I think you are a bit blinkered to our obvious deficiencies there Bob. Its all well & good looking an exciting attacking team, but this ain't Gridiron, we can't bring on another team when the other side get the ball. The basic problem is individual tackling technique in several players. Sandercock has stopped us compressing like we did under Mrogan, this stops us getting toasted out wide by quick passing, but opens up the defensive spacing. It relies on better communication with your partners either side, and crucially, better one on one tackling. In a lot of cases, we ain't up for it.
I'm not saying it can't be fixed, but by the time it get sorted, we may need snookers.
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| Quote ="SirStan"I think you are a bit blinkered to our obvious deficiencies there Bob. Its all well & good looking an exciting attacking team, but this ain't Gridiron, we can't bring on another team when the other side get the ball. The basic problem is individual tackling technique in several players. Sandercock has stopped us compressing like we did under Mrogan, this stops us getting toasted out wide by quick passing, but opens up the defensive spacing. It relies on better communication with your partners either side, and crucially, better one on one tackling. In a lot of cases, we ain't up for it.
I'm not saying it can't be fixed, but by the time it get sorted, we may need snookers.'"
I'd take the needing snookers as long as we improve throughout the year. We need to be reshaping and building to a team that just needs a couple of additions around some home grown lads and a couple of good older heads. This year was always going to be a struggle but if we can improve I'll be happy
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| Quote ="His Bobness"Last night;
1. Rovers didn't give the game away, Cas won it.
2. My main criticism/concern would be that when Cas upped the intensity to fever pitch in the final quarter it was enough to tip the scales. From then on we were hanging on desperately albeit heroically. But our own go forward seemed to have been spent, it was all we could do to keep out what was by then a rampaging Castleford team.
3. Hudds were just the same last week - they had nothing left when the final screw was turned. It's difficult. Every team in Super League can win a game when they are desperate enough. Last night according to the Cas fans I spoke to they gave far and away their best performance of the season. They had to because they were so desperate for a win.
3. Cas were desperate but even so the only thing keeping Cas in the game during the first 55 mins was the brilliance of Rangi Chase. His brilliance single handedly kept an outplayed Cas team in contention.
4. As in every game this season there were periods when Rovers were really good. When we get our go forward rolling we are as good as anyone.
5. Salter did everything right in that match-deciding moment late on. Took the ball in his own in goal area, dived into play. Usually that's good enough. Five more tackles one minute left. The kid couldn't have done better fair play to him. A 30/70 decision went the way that 30% of decisions do and it turned victory into defeat for Rovers.
6. Should we have had the game well wrapped up by then anyway? Yes I think so.
7. Obviously we are a work in progress, it's one step forwards one step back right now and the progress meter will not be a smooth curve.
8. Anyone who under rates us does so at their peril. This IS a very exciting attacking Rovers team which can hurt any team in Super League. Find yourself on the back foot and .........well ask Huddersfield.
9. Good Friday. Who knows but I say this.. Rovers have enough ability and if we are more intense than them we will win.'"
its interesting to see how you consider Cas just a cannon fodder basement team when Hull beat them fairly comfortably,yet less than a week later they become a desperate for points team with a wizard for a half back when you lot cave in against them
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| Quote ="barham red"Surely you're with the rest of them piling on aa grand final win at 19-1. better hurry those odds will plummet when youve won the next 5. I've got a tenner on it, i was so convinced after reading that thread.'"
With respect Barham, I think you'll find that Mrs B's opinion on our abilities/aspirations this season is a very common one. Apart from the odd "idiot", we all know that we're in a slightly false position and finishing 7th will be about par for us this season. Our next four league games could even leave us with the same points that we currently have.
Very few of us are getting carried away with any grand final or even top four nonsense. As for Friday, it's a coin toss but I fear the worst.
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| Bring back netherton!!!
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| Isn't Neth out for 12 weeks?
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| With respect i believe that although Mrs B claims to have no faith in her club and states continually that we will put 100+ points on you, she secretly sits at home with a copy of the league table in one hand and her 19-1 betting slip in the other praying at her shrine to Andy Lynch that beyond all hope this isnt a false dawn.
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| Quote ="barham red"With respect i believe that although Mrs B claims to have no faith in her club and states continually that we will put 100+ points on you, she secretly sits at home with a copy of the league table in one hand and her 19-1 betting slip in the other praying at her shrine to Andy Lynch that beyond all hope this isnt a false dawn.'"
There's no dawn at all. You've said we've not played anyone yet, so there can't be a dawn, false or otherwise. The only remotely true thing in your bag of spanners of a post is the Andy Lynch shrine. He's obsessively tidy round the house according to the programme and loves doing the hoovering. He is a great all rounder. Even then, he's no Joel Clinton, mind. He's got a Vax and everything.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"There's no dawn at all. You've said we've not played anyone yet, so there can't be a dawn, false or otherwise. The only remotely true thing in your bag of spanners of a post is the Andy Lynch shrine. He's obsessively tidy round the house according to the programme and loves doing the hoovering. He is a great all rounder. Even then, he's no Joel Clinton, mind. He's got a Vax and everything.'"
How clean is Joel Clintons house?
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| Quote ="His Bobness"5. Salter did everything right in that match-deciding moment late on. Took the ball in his own in goal area, dived into play. Usually that's good enough. Five more tackles one minute left. The kid couldn't have done better fair play to him. A 30/70 decision went the way that 30% of decisions do and it turned victory into defeat for Rovers.'"
Just watched the incident on Sky. The ref got it right. Salter was not tackled when he dived to the ground. When he eventually starts to get up to play on, the Cas players grab him under the arms and dump him to the ground in the in-goal. At no point is his ball-carrying arm on the ground AND a Cas player touching him until he's dragged over the line.
If there had been a VR at the game he would have given the same decision. Another ill-judged complaint by your coach I'm afraid.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Just watched the incident on Sky. The ref got it right. Salter was not tackled when he dived to the ground. When he eventually starts to get up to play on, the Cas players grab him under the arms and dump him to the ground in the in-goal. At no point is his ball-carrying arm on the ground AND a Cas player touching him until he's dragged over the line.
If there had been a VR at the game he would have given the same decision. Another ill-judged complaint by your coach I'm afraid.'"
I think his comments were made in the heat of the moment, before he'd had chance to actually see the incident, a bit of Salters inexperience on show, but I bet he doesn't do it again.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Just watched the incident on Sky. The ref got it right. Salter was not tackled when he dived to the ground. When he eventually starts to get up to play on, the Cas players grab him under the arms and dump him to the ground in the in-goal. At no point is his ball-carrying arm on the ground AND a Cas player touching him until he's dragged over the line.
If there had been a VR at the game he would have given the same decision. Another ill-judged complaint by your coach I'm afraid.'"
This is an April Fool comment
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| Quote ="Paul T - HKR"This is an April Fool comment
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Why so?
Kosh called it perfectly correctly. Had Salter not regained his feet, Cas would've been awarded a penalty for a voluntary tackle
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Why so?
Kosh called it perfectly correctly. Had Salter not regained his feet, Cas would've been awarded a penalty for a voluntary tackle'"
Correct. I was at the wrong end of the stand to judge it on Friday night but having seen it on tv, the Cas players just hovered above him waiting for him to get back up. At no point did they lay a finger on him.
Sandercock needs to stop blaming officials and start to [i"control the controlables".[/i
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| Quote ="bishops finger"I think his comments were made in the heat of the moment, before he'd had chance to actually see the incident, a bit of Salters inexperience on show, but I bet he doesn't do it again.'"
Salter did nothing wrong imo. Nothing else he could of done- cas were just all over us. He got over the ingoal line into the field of play, dont see what else he could of done in the situation
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| Imo in diving over the line and waiting to be tackled, he's gone for a voluntary tackle, the ref says he's not tackled and taken over the line. I'm not knocking the kid, I think the ref made the right decision and hopefully Salter will learn from it.
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| The only thing Salter did wrong, was that he froze a bit on the floor. If he could've found a way to scurry fwd on the floor, then the Cas players would've had to have touch him/tackle him.
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| Quote ="bishops finger"Imo in diving over the line and waiting to be tackled, he's gone for a voluntary tackle, the ref says he's not tackled and taken over the line. I'm not knocking the kid, I think the ref made the right decision and hopefully Salter will learn from it.'"
That's how I saw the incident.
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| Quote ="SirStan"Correct. I was at the wrong end of the stand to judge it on Friday night but having seen it on tv, the Cas players just hovered above him waiting for him to get back up. At no point did they lay a finger on him.
Sandercock needs to stop blaming officials and start to [i"control the controlables".[/i'"
Completely agree, the decision was correct and caused by us being on the backfoot for the last 15 minutes.
Even if the decision had been wrong CS should have focussed on the reason we were even in that postion, we should have had that game tied up but we let cas get on the front foot and never got the momentum back.
I think this is a sign of CS's inexperience and hopefully someone will have a word with him.
The best team on the day won end of.
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| Quote ="bishops finger"Imo in diving over the line and waiting to be tackled, he's gone for a voluntary tackle, the ref says he's not tackled and taken over the line. I'm not knocking the kid, I think the ref made the right decision and hopefully Salter will learn from it.'"
Would you rather him not dive over the line to save a drop out and keep running? Which would make it easier for him to be carried over the line and a big hit put on him which could cause anything to happen over his own tryline?
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| Quote ="very red robin"Would you rather him not dive over the line to save a drop out and keep running? Which would make it easier for him to be carried over the line and a big hit put on him which could cause anything to happen over his own tryline?'"
I would have rather he'd side stepped 3 tacklers, out paced the rest and scored
It doesn't matter now, what we say he should have done, the games gone. I wasn't saying Salter cost us the game, certainly not. Just that next time he clears his in goal I bet he doesn't do it that way again.
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| Quote ="barham red"Completely agree, the decision was correct ...'"
Not quite.
This was a text book voluntary tackle by Salter and as such should have been a penalty against Rovers:
"Voluntary tackle 4. A player in possession shall not deliberately and unnecessarily allow himself to be tackled by voluntarily falling to the ground when not held by an opponent. If a player drops on a loose ball he shall not remain on the ground waiting to be tackled if he has time to regain his feet and continue play."
Salter made no attempt to get to his feet, just shuffled his knees about on the ground a bit until Cas got impatient and pushed him back.
Sandycock is starting to become a bit of an embarrassment of a broken record. Wouldn't matter so much if he was right and understood what he was whinging about.
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| Quote ="WormInHand"Not quite.
This was a text book voluntary tackle by Salter and as such should have been a penalty against Rovers:
"Voluntary tackle 4. A player in possession shall not deliberately and unnecessarily allow himself to be tackled by voluntarily falling to the ground when not held by an opponent. If a player drops on a loose ball he shall not remain on the ground waiting to be tackled if he has time to regain his feet and continue play."
Salter makes no attempt to get to his feet, just shuffles his knees about on the ground an bit until Cas got impatient and pushed him back.
Sandycock is starting to become a bit of an embarrassment of a broken record. Wouldn't matter so much if he was right and understood what he was whinging about.'"
Salter did what players do in just about every game, regardless of the rule book. How many voluntary tackle penalties have you ever seen given in SL?
I agree about Sandy needing another record mind, but I suspect he's far more qualified than you or I to know what he's on about, he just needs to keep his council.
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| Quote ="SirStan"Salter did what players do in just about every game, regardless of the rule book. How many voluntary tackle penalties have you ever seen given in SL?
I agree about Sandy needing another record mind, but I suspect he's far more qualified than you or I to know what he's on about, he just needs to keep his council.'"
Don't be silly, Stan. You'll be saying black is white, next.
You're right to say much is missed in RL, but Sandy was arguing the shout should have gone your way, ffs. Instead, you were lucky to get away with a drop-out - you should have been penalised.
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| Did he thank the ref for turning a blind eye to the blatant forward pass that led to hodgson's try?
I think he (and all coaches) should concentrate on improving his side's performance and stop whining about referees (compounded by his whining voice TBH). If his players made as few errors as refs do then rovers would probably be sat at the top of teh league
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