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| I was over the moon with last night, outstanding performance. However I was equally appalled by our last outing at Widnes which was embarrassing. If we are to challenge then we must narrow this gap between our best and worst performances which is something Gentle alluded to when he came in. Without a greater level of consistency we won't achieve success.
We shouldn't need to play so badly to motivate us to play well.
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| Couldn't agree more.
Just goes to show how much difference attitude makes. We played with a similar attitude at Rovers, shows up in the line speed and aggression in defence.
It begs the question, does our team have more variations in attitude game to game than other sides? You would think it does, however I also wonder whether our chronic lack of a top player/leader at half back makes a big difference. Players like Briers and Sinfield can steer the ship even when the crew are not on top of their game, thus smoothing over the variations in attitude.
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| Despite a 70-6 win, we can improve on last night's performance.
Should be a comfortable win next weekend as long as we avoid complacency but then we need to peak in the playoffs.
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| Agreed. There are definitely facets of our game that have improved a lot under Gentle e.g. Our intensity to keep going last night, even when the match was clearly won. Also, there are plenty of players who have improved under Gentle; Sharp, Houghton, Westerman etc.. To me, there is enough to suggest that he will be the coach to take us to success.
Moving back to the consistency, issue hopefully this will be aided by the players we bring in, not to bring our old coaches back into the equation, but their mentality/coaching methods will have left a lasting impression on players.
This was always going to be a transitional year, and while it is disappointing that with a little bit more 'consistency' we could have really pushed for a top 4 spot, it does leave encouragement for the future.
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| Quote ="handbrake"Couldn't agree more.
Just goes to show how much difference attitude makes. We played with a similar attitude at Rovers, shows up in the line speed and aggression in defence.
It begs the question, does our team have more variations in attitude game to game than other sides? You would think it does, however I also wonder whether our chronic lack of a top player/leader at half back makes a big difference. Players like Briers and Sinfield can steer the ship even when the crew are not on top of their game, thus smoothing over the variations in attitude.'"
I personally think fitness plays a big part in what many will perceive as the team's attitude. I didn't think their attitude was too bad against Widnes - the players clearly wanted to win, our mentality was questionable though - easily influenced by niggly ref calls and niggly Widnes players, but this could be down to fatigue as much as anything.
2 weeks rest did them the world of good.
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| Also another thing is our offloading. Everytime we use this tactic we look a better attacking side. More please.
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| As good as last night was, if we want to be a top team we've got to cut out the amount of weeks where we just don't turn up (like the Widnes game) I appreciate that no team can play in top gear each week, but we need to find a 4th/3rd gear that gets us the points against lower table opposition.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Also another thing is our offloading. Everytime we use this tactic we look a better attacking side. More please.'"
Was saying just last night how a few seasons ago, someone would offload and everyone just looked confused and let the ball go to ground
This season everyone expects it and it really is one of the strengths of how we play - shows the difference a coach can make
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Also another thing is our offloading. Everytime we use this tactic we look a better attacking side. More please.'"
I agree, I really hate those games where we use the 'turn inside and run at the markers' tactic, which I feel is completely ineffective. The idea is that you wear the opposition out, but usually it means that we put in an inept attacking display and then lose the game at the end.
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| We haven't got the quality of player to be consistent. Hopefully next season we will. Most teams in SL are capable of turning it on infrequently but the best ones do it more and, more improtantly, do it when it matters
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| i'll take consistancy now until the end of the play offs! the real stuff starts in two weeks!
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| We'll get more consistent as the quality of the squad improves. It's the biggest thing for us to improve on to reach the top. With regard to playing an open game we do look better when we do it provided that we go forward first. We tried loads of offloads against Widnes but didn't look too hot in that game.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"We'll get more consistent as the quality of the squad improves. It's the biggest thing for us to improve on to reach the top. With regard to playing an open game we do look better when we do it provided that we go forward first. We tried loads of offloads against Widnes but didn't look too hot in that game.'"
We never respected Widnes, we tried the fancy stuff before we'd earned the right by winning the forward battle.
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| Ah yes, consistency. The holy grail of all sports teams and individuals.
As others have already noted, a major factor in any team's consistency level is usually directly related to the quality of their playing squad.
In Super League, the so called "big four" (Wigan, Wire, Leeds & Saints) each have a number of players with an ability to turn close games in their team's favour when the team as a whole aren't playing well as a unit. For example: Wigan this afternoon .
It has become a truism in modern sport (certainly in Football, Rugby League & Rugby Union) that genuine quality players tend to separate the wheat from the chaff over the course of a season. The clubs with the players who have an ability to turn possible defeat into hard fought victories tend to be the clubs who are there when the trophies are being handed out.
From our perspective, this is the biggest challenge/obstacle between where we stand in 2012 and where we want to be in 2013/14/15. How do we find and attract the players of game-changing ability in key positions (particulary at half back) that will turn us into a genuine top four side with genuine realistic ambitions of lifting the big prizes.
I would think most of us agree that in order to fulfill our hopes and dreams, the club needs an injection of high class match winning ability in a number of key areas. Hopefully the arrival of Gareth Ellis is the first step in this direction, but we need others with ability to match in order to disrupt the ordered heirachy at the game's summit.
Of course these players will not completely eradicate unexpected defeats, any side can have an off day (Wigan at Widnes and Warrington at Salford being two examples this season), but a significant increase in the quality of our playing squad will go a long way towards reducing the number of erratic performances throughout a season, which in turn should then see us move up from being mid table average to becoming one of those sides who the rest fear.
It won't be easy though, the available talent pool is thin on the ground and real genuine quality is hard to come by these days.
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| Good teams win even when they are playing bad, we don't, enough said.
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| We will get there, these things take time and with a lack of quality the best we can hope for this season is turning up for the odd game
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