You are talking about superstars on 2-3 thousand quid a week,and they can't do the basics.Well the so called superstars have been found out and i hope the clubs have the sense to realise this when their contracts are up for review.Let them get paid a contract commensurate with their world standing which to me is on a par with P.N.G.If they don't like it they can't all go to other super league clubs and the Aussie league certainly won't have them.Lets start paying players on performance instead of throwing money at average players.Its funny how some of the players who seem to have a high opinion of themselves have been well and truly found out ie.,Wilkins(alright showing the BBC the contents of his fridge),Wellens,Pryce,Gardner(bet he wished he had stayed at home)Sinfield and on and on.Let me hear one more so called pundit say we are not far off and i will scream.Fourty years ago we could beat the Aussies and most of our players were'nt pampered like this bunch,they had physical jobs to feed their families, besides playing.Give it a fortnight let the dust settle and we will just go back to our same old ways.Oh for someone to come in and sort it out from the bottom to the top.While ever we get Stevo and Eddie telling us we are watching superstars in superleague the players believe they really are superstars.And on a final note,reading the Aussie press they say that agents and coach's are at all of the games trying to sign players,strange the Aussie's are not interested in our superstars.

www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/s ... ,00.htmlAt least somebody can see what is wrong

www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/s ... ,00.htmlAt least somebody can see what is wrong

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Wrong, our obsession with constantly looking for excuses is to blame. Quality O/S players will enhance the game, as long as our national coach as the guts to pick the better players and not just the ones who play for select clubs.

Sorry it's a very good article in the Sydney Telegraph by non other than Ricky Stewart and Ex G.B. star Bill Francis.Just grappling with cut and paste,quicker to go there yourself

Bingo

Quality being the operative word,but just wait while next season and see how many more end of career Aussies we get in superleague.

Buderus and Crocker are at the careers end arent they.

Its the little known ones that are the worse...see Castleford,they are experts at it.

Another thing what really gets me is the lack of ex players in the International set up. Why the hell didnt we use the like's of Schofield, Gregory, Crooks , Edwards, Harrison more.

Was not referring to quality imports. When 30odd per cent of super league players are imports there is no wonder we are in trouble.If the top Aussie coach can see it then why can't we.

The problems start and begin with our youth system, i know a lot of hard work goes in at grassroots level and a lot of people give up there free time

But in Australia these kids are identified an early ages and put in to there instutiute of sports at there chosen game, with the best coaching and facilites

They also train in warm weather with sun on there back most of the time which can only help devolp there handlings skills and concentration

Where as our youngsters play the game in winter in cold and at times appalling weather conditions, and at times is hard to get a full team to training due to weather parents not wanting to take them out on a cold wet freezing misreable night

1 of the 1st things is we need to changer the amatuer game over to summer to enable youngsters to devolp there handling skills from the off

quick fix mate, every chairman/ceo in super league should hang their head in shame as should the people who say they dont care about international rugby and only care about their club side.

Hope those so called superstars carry that form throughout super league next season,especially Saints

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Yes that Man!!! I agree 100% with what you say.

Was he not stood on the wing for England today disguised as a Mexican

I don't buy it. We shouldn't be as far behind as we obviously are

I was hoping to see a fresh looking England team for this World Cup. Alas........Tony Smith has picked the same mis-matched team foundation as Nobby had. OK......These lads seem to prove their worth in superleague playing with their respective clubs.......But each and every one of them would've got "Does not mix well with others" on their reference after this competition.
The alarm bells were ringing three weeks ago with the PNG scare. The winning mentality and body language just wasn't there.

Come on Kiwi's

(well......gotta support someone in the final eh?)

Hopefully, It will inspire those not "talented enough" by Smith to raise there game . The likes of Atkins , Shenton ,Westerman, ect arnt that far behined .

1. Australia - 160
2. New Zealand - 130
3. Fiji - 106
4. Samoa - 99
5. Tonga - 96
6. England - 94
7. PNG - 89
8. Ireland - 86
9. Scotland - 82
10. France - 78
11. Wales - 62
12. Lebanon - 53


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Quote ="DABHAND"Was not referring to quality imports. When 30odd per cent of super league players are imports there is no wonder we are in trouble.If the top Aussie coach can see it then why can't we.'" Might be the same article from the telegraph you posted earlier.......although it has absolutely nob all to do with him, he is totally right!! news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_l ... 731918.stm

Quote ="DABHAND"Was not referring to quality imports. When 30odd per cent of super league players are imports there is no wonder we are in trouble.If the top Aussie coach can see it then why can't we.'" Might be the same article from the telegraph you posted earlier.......although it has absolutely nob all to do with him, he is totally right!! news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_l ... 731918.stm

Quote ="airliebird9"Might be the same article from the telegraph you posted earlier.......although it has absolutely nob all to do with him, he is totally right!! news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_l ... 731918.stm'" He is totally correct IMO, with the exception that importing isn't confined purely to club level.

Quote ="airliebird9"Might be the same article from the telegraph you posted earlier.......although it has absolutely nob all to do with him, he is totally right!! news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_l ... 731918.stm'" He is totally correct IMO, with the exception that importing isn't confined purely to club level.

When the players care,i will care.

Have been to test matches all over the country,World cup finals twice,wembley for tests when we had a better team...used to love going to the test matches but not now....the team is picked on who you play for and who you are.

The team needs a total overhaul and maybe a new coach as it looks as though Smith hasnt got a sodding clue.

Put it this way...if someone said to me,what would you sooner have..A England world cup win or C/cup or G/Final win for Hull FC........FC win for me everytime.

Same here mate. I'dve loved an England World Cup win but it would barely hit the radar in the national sporting conscience anyway. The RFL must shoulder the blame for years of failure when we have SL teams with upto 11 imports.

I was over the semi defeat yesterday by mid afternoon whereas a defeat for Hull has me down for the week.

what an awesome try by inglis