That is something that really pi55es me off, it's the same sport, there should be no "versions".

Its not different versions as such, the fact is teams in SL adopt a lightening ptb and dummy half running to create tries and once that fails then we have no plan b. The moment Australia or NZ slow us down we have no creativity when faced with a set defence. Thats where dummy runners and pace into the line comes into the equation, we struggle then.

Coupled with an absolutely atrocious kicking game.

A half decent kicking game would at the very least give the Aussies something to think about when moving up quickly in defence.

I know it happens in all sports (like in champions league games when we get comments like "he'd have got a card for that in the premier league", I just think it makes it unfair. Smith ad a rant about having Aussie refs because their interpretation of the rules are different, shouldn't happen in an ideal world/

Exactly. Its all down to interpretations of 'the basics'.

In the NRL the basics are about ball movement and creating overlaps and gaps. Its why so often top Aussies that come over here are able to move to half back from other positions and adapt so well.

In the Super League the basics are more around the play the ball and possession.

Yep, the aussies do the basics as well as you possibly can and thats what wins them games. RL is pretty simple really. They kick and chase well. They are disciplined in defence and move up in one line. They work the ball forward with the big men and they have deep attacking lines and hit the ball at pace and always support the ball carrier.

The make other teams work out of their own half and as the pressure builds they make mistakes, then the green and golds take advantage.

Even their Second Rows know how to move the opposition defence about to create gaps and overlaps.

The last British backrower that had that skill was moved to Stand Off for GB (Sculthorpe)

Well if we dont kick to Gardner im going to support Rovers.

The guys awful, as was Wellens.

Thought McGuire played well.

Appalling performance, one or two can hold their heads high, but the others in shame, not willing to put bodies on line when needed, passing was awful to say the least, kicking game well and truly sh@te, appeared to be no plan, but hey everything will be ok when SL comes around, our so called best will be world beaters again, 'we're getting close to the aussies' comments again by Clarke, Stevo and Eddie, until we rid ourselves of the average overpaid overseas players and coaches and start developing our own youngsters then we'll stay way behind. Its not like we've only lost one game, we've lost 3 out of 4, really really pis*ed off.

Yes, we did have a poor overall World Cup, and players such as Wellens, Gardner, Burrow and Wilkin did have awful performances.

However I cant put all of the fault on the players who didnt perform well enough. Eddie and Stevo cream over any potential England player during the Super League season, and they make them out to be 'world class' which in turn lights the expectations of us, the English fans.

In fact, we were battered around the park by much better players from Australia and New Zealand and a lot of fans are dissapointed.

Eddie and Stevo, as the numpties that they are made out that our players were 'world class' and 'larger then life' and the truth hurts!

We are crap, but we just never realised it until the World Cup actually took place!

Shocking that our game has gone backwards despite record levels of money being pumped in. We have no world class players in the England team and most seem to have a lack of basic skills such as passing and positional play. How can the Australian system be so much better at producing skillful players?

In my opinion most of the Saints players have been poor throughout the world cup

Thats Sky Sports for you they gloss over any sport they have on and hype it up way to much.Glad ive got rid of it

They have a larger pool of talent to pick from.
Sport generally is more important to them, especially at school and youth level.
The way the game is played encourages skill over pure athleticism.

IMO.

The mentality is different in the countries at junior level.

In Australia Schools they are taught to be the best and being nothing but the best will do. In England its the taking part that counts and its ok to lose aslong as you've tried.

Glad i took the money and worked now....is it worth watching when i get in.


Thats sky sports also going now on monday......not wathing the convicts lift the trophy.

It should have stayed that way.

Agree with you saying Gardner shouldnt have played but i thought McGuire was our best today.

Couldnt believe it when at 1 point we had McGuire, Burrow, Pryce and Roby on the pitch at the same time.

We were playing East to West too much instead of playing straight and working it wide once the Kiwis compressed.

Dunno why but the fact Cullen always has to introduce himself to Eddie when he is in the studio giving his opinion makes me laugh.

We did look to go wide far too early though and the Kiwis just numbered up and stood watching what we were doing as it was simple to defend against, the 1 time we did put a decoy in we scored off of it when Gleeson went over.

If you like watching an error fest and some atrocious defending, yes.

because they dont coach the flare out of them half backs are told to take the line on and not just pass and time is spent one to one to get them ready were miles behind and thats with more kids playing than ever the rfl is hopeless

i disagree with this one,

a lot of the junior teams don't have full squads and some even struggle to put 13 out some weeks.

The player's who took the field today could'nt even catch a ball ,pass properly ,put a decent kick in or even tackle , All fundamental parts of basic Rugby what you get taught in schools and Academy's. That's not even going down the road of mentality and technique.
If any change come's from this debarcle then it needs to be aimed at the youngsters and the way we are coaching them .

So it was Stevo and Eddie's fault England played awful during the World Cup? Players picked on reputation is half the issue. I mean Ade Gardner, he's rubbish without Gidley laying tries on a plate for him...