WTF!!!!!!!! Give it a rest Standee, the guy has fecked his life up and nearly went over the edge but seems to be turning it around and sorting himself out. Fair play to him for speaking out.

he's a convicted violent racist con merchant who regrets getting caught

i heard a differing explanation from an ex bulls player who calls where i work as a rep if his version is true its a fair size worse than a sleeping pill addiction that got him the boot either way he was a class act at his peak and hope he turns his life round

But we haven't had to read over 30,000 rants from him on this forum.

"rants"

opinions, if you don't share them then that is fine, some people will forgive anything so long as you've worn the black and white, I wont.

Nobody is requiring you to forgive anything, and even the article doesn't blame anyone but Raynor himself for his downfall. However, I do have a certain amount of sympathy for pretty much anyone who gets into such a state that they contemplate or attempt suicide - even if only for the effect that would have on their family and friends.

Well said.

Was probably after stopping using the forums and reading Standees posts that he needed the sleeping tablets instead

Sad to hear that he got so low. Hope things get better for him.

As a player he was one of my favourite ones at Hull. His off field antics have let him down big style.He is basicly a mug to himself.
I do sympathise with anybody though who is so low they contemplate topping themselves.

I too was a big fan of his at Hull, he let himself down big time with his off-field stuff. However I would never wish this on anyone. I don't understand how being a 'convicted violent racist con merchant who regrets getting caught' warrants no sympathy for nearly topping himself from the fans of his former club.

The article for me shows how the RFL have learned from Terry Newton's death last year. I criticise the RFL a lot but have to give them a big well done for being there for someone who needed it.

Agree 100% with Karen.

Personally I prefer to remember Gareth Raynor the rugby player who, until Tom Briscoe entered the scene with that 90 yard try against Rovers, was simply the best player I've seen in the number 5 jersey for Hull FC in 50 plus years.

Best wishes for the future Gareth.

I think the new State of Mind campaign has been brilliant about spreading the awareness, too.

Great player for FC on the field, prize turnip off it.........................Hope he gets his life sorted though, glad he's spoke out about it.

Great player for FC on the field, prize turnip off it.........................Hope he gets his life sorted though, glad he's spoke out about it.

Saw him in the pub before the play off game at leeds. He took loads of friendly stick from the hull fans. He just laughed it all off, signed loads of shirts, photo's with fans. It was lot quieter downstairs but he stayed with us all until game time. he seemed a nice bloke. So he ripped off an ink company big deal. There's a lot done a lot worse n walking round with an asbo

Is that how we judge people, if people are worse?

And that's not 'all' he did.

No its not.
I just wanted to share the good experience of the only time i met the guy. Then have dig at our f**ked up judicial system

I agree it's ed up, he should have got a jail sentence the first time.

what if had been your ink company he ripped off would that have been ok as long as he signed some shirts eh i do feel sorry for him if he thought about taking his own life but he brought it all on himself

Whilst I don’t at all condone ripping these ink cartridge companies off, I have very little (zilch) sympathy for them, after the huge amounts they rip off from their customers.

The victims in all this, are the customers who bought these, or buy them off the OEM.

Some of the posts from people on this thread are the reason why I don't visit these boards as much as I used to.

Shame!