Do you think the coach at this level should teach players how to wrap up a player or how to play the ball? We lost because our forwards couldn't handle Leeds' and let them run riot .

Just like last week, so that is a coaches job to put right, and yet again he failed!!!

Can't agree more.

What can he do? Tell them to wrap the guy up? He can tell them to he's blue in the face but if the players don't do it then they don't do it.

If he can't improve players he shoudn't be a coach.

What players have improved under Agar's coaching?

But a coach is paid to COACH players!!!!! If he cannot egt them doing the job we all know they are capable of then he is doing something wrong and needs replacing.

Agar is out of his depth totally....after the Wigan match he said "its a waste of time to wrestle on the floor for a quick play the ball as refs arent botherd"... me leeds get a QPTB and buderus runs at Tickle and gets a pen.

Agar is a totally inept.....ffs...we have massive support..the infrastructure is there and we appoint a total kn0b in charge...welcome to medirocrity.

Good point , All of a sudden our forwards have been out played by a "smaller pack" ...Why.

Said exactly the same thing today. We have everything that a club needs to be sucessful yet we scrimp and scrape when it comes to the coach.

If it's always the players' faults then by that logic a poor coach can never be sacked. Obviously, the players were awful today but ultimately the coach has to take responsibility for their (lack of) preparation/execution of gameplan. It goes with the territory I'm afraid and when it doesn't come off, fingers will naturally point at the coach.

As I've said countless times on here before, in the past few seasons our players have been making mistakes that they didn't either at previous clubs or under previous coaches. They've also shown in some games this season that they are capable of eradicating them. The question therefore comes back to why they aren't doing it every week. I can't help but feel that the lack of consequences for poor performances is a huge factor in that, unless you happen to be under 23 and not from the Featherstone area.

So no, I don't think a coach at this level should have to teach players to do those basics, but he should be making damn sure he demands it from players who are evidently capable of it and dealing with them when they don't. Agar simply does not do this.

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so its all injuries and the ref's fault again then, funny how its that every year then

Basically we are fooked then

Again, I'll use the parent analogy. If a child ignores their parent, should they give up trying to instil discipline?

The simple fact is, too many of our players face no consequences for their performances, so have nothing driving them to improve.

I'd go so far as to say that that logic leads to the conclusion that a coach is unnecessary. Cue the board attempting to save a bit more money.

One player does all the time.....re-arrange these letters LAHL.

Cheers mate. The usual stream of injury flannel and excuses, in short. Even at full strength we'd have been nowhere near Leeds. The 1 set out of 14 point is just silly. Leeds earned that possession through forcing errors and penalties.

As I said in my post at the top of this page, you only seem to get dropped if you're under 23 and not from Fev. And the players know it.

Read it again - that's not what he said. In fact as an analysis goes it appears to be woefully short of any reasons for the defeat.

You make fair points and I find it hard to disagree with you. I do find Hull's form unsettling however can see improvements in our team this year, I aren't defending Agar to the point where he does no wrong, I'm just providing balance to a message board that seems dead set that if Agar was gone we'd suddenly turn into a team that can beat the reigning champions and win the league and cup despite finishing 2nd to last the year before.

HOUSE!

his "we didn't get a 50-50 (decision) all day" is a blatant moan about the ref

Where do you see the improvements ?. A honest question.

Indeed, you can almost feel the shoulder shrugging when you read it. I don't know what the opposite of insight is, but Agar seems to have a lot of it.