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| Quote ="B0NES"icon_thumb.gif
Although I don't like all this bending of the quota rules , It's pointless sitting on our hands while everyone else does it.
If there's now two spots available , Then we must fill them with quality.'"
Agreed. I'm not happy with the way clubs bend the rules but if others do it why not us.
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"Because Heremaia was signed in this country before the new regulations came in in 2008 (Leigh in 06, Widnes 07), apparently that makes him exempt from the non-fed quota.
Players signed before that change are exempt because it is unfair on them to have basically travelled all the way to this country to make a career here under a different set of rules and then be excluded/have their market value go down because of a new ruling. However, how a player that has gone back to the NRL and then coming back over here can be exempt is a bit beyond me!
For him to also be off quota, he'd need a Kolpak or an EU passport, which I believe he has an Italian one.
Sam Obst is already non-fed, and I believe he is also off-quota.
The off-quota part isn't so important, as we have plenty of space on that with our Tongans being off-quota. It's the non-feds that are hard, and we already have Obst, Heremaia and Manu off it.
Our quota players (max 5) are: O'Meley, McKinnon and Seymour (Manu, Moa, Obst and Heremaia exempt).
Our non-fed players (max 5) are: O'Meley, McKinnon, Seymour and Moa (Many, Obst and Heremaia exempt).
Technically, we have room for one more non-fed player.
And if we can manage to find any available exempt non-fed players who are on the quota, we can have two of them.
Still plenty of shopping to do then!'"
I'm pretty sure Obst is quota, but they're working to change that.
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| What a joke, very disappointing news. That means next season we could have:
McKinnon, Manu, Heremeia, Obst, Moa, O'Meley, Seymour and 2 more. Giving us 9!!! Overseas players. That means that more than half of our weekly team could be overseas players. The worst thing is, the teams with the most overseas players NEVER win anything, it's always those who invest in youth with a good mixture of experienced brits and quality overseas players. Look at us in 2005/2006, Saints in 2006-2007, Leeds 2007-2010 and now Wigan. Very short-term thinking.
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| What if Obst, Heremaia, ellis and Seymour all get injured at the same time? We'd be ed, sign more half backs!!
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| I really don't believe how opinions can change, Rovers where slaughtered for recruiting to many overseas players, a club just finding its way in superleague. Yet Hull an established big four side now sign a player who hasn't played in this country for 4 years and is exempt. I can see why sam obst could be exempt playing over here but Heremania is a joke, surely the exemption is only available to players plying their trade continuosly in this country. I suppose Rovers can get Dobson off due to him playing for Wigan and Catalans.
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| Rules are a farce, should just rip them up imo, unlimited overseas players as in the Premiership,
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| Quote ="hullbg"Shame we are stooping to this level, makes a mockery of the quota restrictions if clubs continue to flaunt them.'"
It does, but the RFL are spineless. If they'd said no to other clubs (or put proper clear rules in in the first place) this wouldn't be an issue. If every club bends the rules then its a fairly level playing field. Like I said earlier, I don't want to win the "nice club" trophy, I want to win the SL and CC. If that means playing by the same rules as everyone else, go for it.
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| Quote ="deafo1"I really don't believe how opinions can change, Rovers where slaughtered for recruiting to many overseas players, a club just finding its way in superleague. Yet Hull an established big four side now sign a player who hasn't played in this country for 4 years and is exempt. I can see why sam obst could be exempt playing over here but [uHeremania[/u is a joke, surely the exemption is only available to players plying their trade continuosly in this country. I suppose Rovers can get Dobson off due to him playing for Wigan and Catalans.'"
Which is why the rules are a joke not the clubs exploitation of them.
Heremania - I'd copyright that before the club start selling t-shirts
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| Quote ="Chris28"It does, but the RFL are spineless. If they'd said no to other clubs (or put proper clear rules in in the first place) this wouldn't be an issue. If every club bends the rules then its a fairly level playing field. Like I said earlier, I don't want to win the "nice club" trophy, I want to win the SL and CC. If that means playing by the same rules as everyone else, go for it.'"
I don't see Leeds/Wigan/Wire etc bending the rules to get quota players in.
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| Where's the threads on Hull not bringing enough youngsters through and Hkrs quota disgrace?
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| No rules are broken so Hull FC have done a good job in identifying such a player to add to their rosta.
Though of course a few on here may have to move off the summit of the moral high ground for a while , but as stated earlier such a lofty position does not win you cups.
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| Quote ="hullbg"I don't see Leeds/Wigan/Wire etc bending the rules to get quota players in.'"
Yes and Wire and Wigan have never done anything dodgy have they? especially with the Salary Cap
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| Quote ="Chris28"It does, but the RFL are spineless. If they'd said no to other clubs (or put proper clear rules in in the first place) this wouldn't be an issue. If every club bends the rules then its a fairly level playing field. Like I said earlier, I don't want to win the "nice club" trophy, I want to win the SL and CC. If that means playing by the same rules as everyone else, go for it.'"
You assume there is correlation between the 'team who bends the quota rules the most' and the 'team who wins the most', there isn't.
2006 GF St Helens (6) vs Hull (4)
2007 GF St Helens (6) vs Leeds (5)
2008 GF St Helens (5) vs Leeds (3)
2009 GF St Helens (5) vs Leeds (3)
2010 GF St Helens (5) vs Wigan (5)
That Hull team had 8 players that came through our academy... The way to success is clear, it's not filling your team with overseas players... ask Rovers.
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| Quote ="Captain Dave"No rules are broken so Hull FC have done a good job in identifying such a player to add to their rosta.
Though of course a few on here may have to move off the summit of the moral high ground for a while , but as stated earlier such a lofty position=#FF0000 does not win you cups.'"
Not true though is it, as i recall last years cup winners Wigan & Wire were not packed full of quota players.
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| Quote ="Tongan Mafia"Yes and Wire and Wigan have never done anything dodgy have they? especially with the Salary Cap
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Didn't you try that before
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| Being off quota because he has an EU passport I don't have a particular problem with. That's just EU employment legislation. What baffles and disappoints me is if he's got off the Non Fed list due to having briefly played here before the rules came in. That exemption was designed to not unfairly discriminate against players who had signed long contracts in good faith and then faced being unemployed because of the new rule. Heremaia hardly falls into that category having left the UK game and played abroad for years.
I mainly blame the RFL for allowing the rules to be regularly bent by other clubs. I guess you can hardly blame FC for wanting the same advantages that others have gained or else they would not be playing on a level field. Still disappointing though.
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| Quote ="Tongan Mafia"Yes and Wire and Wigan have never done anything dodgy have they? especially with the Salary Cap
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We are talking about quota players not salary cap though. And as far as i am aware Warrington have not been found guilty of any cap shenanigans.
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| Quote ="Old_Faithful_IAKW"[uYou assume[/u there is correlation between the 'team who bends the quota rules the most' and the 'team who wins the most', there isn't.
2006 GF St Helens (6) vs Hull (4)
2007 GF St Helens (6) vs Leeds (5)
2008 GF St Helens (5) vs Leeds (3)
2009 GF St Helens (5) vs Leeds (3)
2010 GF St Helens (5) vs Wigan (5)
That Hull team had 8 players that came through our academy... The way to success is clear, it's not filling your team with overseas players... ask Rovers.'"
Not really, because I didn't go that far. All I'm saying is that if there is a potential advantage available to us, we should use it. We would be daft not to.
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| Quote ="Chris28"Not really, because I didn't go that far. All I'm saying is that if there is a potential advantage available to us, we should use it. We would be daft not to.'"
The problem is quota players tend to command bigger salaries thus weakening your overall squad as a result.
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| Quote ="Chris28"Not really, because I didn't go that far. All I'm saying is that if there is a potential advantage available to us, we should use it. We would be daft not to.'"
When it's clear the only way to GF success is blooding your own youngsters?
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| I don't really have an issue with it, would like to see more younger players coming through but providing we stay within the rules then i don't mind.
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| Thats it I've had enough with all this quota shmota!
I'm refusing to go any more until the situation is resolved*
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| Quote ="fc baldy"Total joke and we take the pi$$ out of KR for doing it.'"
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Quote ="Wellsy13"Because Heremaia was signed in this country before the new regulations came in in 2008 (Leigh in 06, Widnes 07), apparently that makes him exempt from the non-fed quota.
Players signed before that change are exempt because it is unfair on them to have basically travelled all the way to this country to make a career here under a different set of rules and then be excluded/have their market value go down because of a new ruling. However, how a player that has gone back to the NRL and then coming back over here can be exempt is a bit beyond me!
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He isn't exempt - he's been given a dispensation. That is to say not within the rules as they are normally applied. The same is true for Lovegrove at Hull KR.
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| the RFL are a bit of a joke, I suspect it's because they know that the quota, non fed and also Salary Cap wouldn't stand up to a legal challenge if someone decided to chance their arm.
So, why shouldn't we use the rules to our advantage, IF we can sign one (or two) truly class O/S players and then reduce our O/S contingent the season after by letting people move on then I am all for it, if we just keep Lauaki and Phelps then I don't see the point. If Obst can come off quota we might even be able to move him on to another club?
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| The system is not exactly watertight, so as long as we can be creative without breaking the rules I don't have an issue with it. If he has an Italian wife then hats off to him.
Wish I did.
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