I think the walk out happened last night.I've never seen the ground empty so quickly with 5 mins left

Last nights walk out was clear. But to walk out in the second half is possibly seen as an emotional reaction to a poor performance.

Its probably totally impossible to achieve. But if the whistle blew to start the game and then people walked out it would provide a clear message of no confidence that could not be seen as an emotional response. If that could be achieved it would get the national media and possibly provide a face saving excuse for Adam rather then it being seen as a response to fans whinging.

Firstly, people who are already writing our season off and consigning us to scrapping it out with Batley to avoid relegation are overreacting. We are 4 games in, and as bad as we were last night there are clearly worse teams in this league than us. Wakefield shipped nearly 60 points at Widnes last week ffs.

That said, I just don't know what direction the club are going in. One of Leeds fans commented that Hull don't seem to have a plan. Every season we just sign a bunch of players and ship a load out for no apparent reason. I agree with that to an extent, but actually we do have a plan, we want the backbone of the team to be made up of local lads who are passionate about the club. The trouble is we just don't know how to go about it.

I'm not Pearsons biggest fan either, he has made more mistakes than I can list, and he still hides behind the Gentle/McRea excuses which people on here seem to lap up. One thing he has succeeded in however (how much is down to sheer luck I don't know) is that our junior teams are as strong as they have been for 10 years. The 19s may well win their comp this year and the 16s are strong too.

So my prime concern about the club right now isn't that we might get relegated (even if we are in the middle 8 there's still a big gulf to the championship) or that crowds will dwindle. It's that we could potentially have a golden generation coming through, and they are going to be thrown in at the deep end by an incompetent coach who will allow their talent to go to waste.

We need to stop looking for ridiculous excuses every week, admit that appointing Radford was a mistake and bring in someone who can give us a clear plan of where we want to go. The club Hull idea is fine, but we are building it on sand.

The youngsters (Abdull and Tergut) came in last night and looked like headless chickens. Im not blaming them in anyway btw just that they didnt step up unlike the youngsters of Wigan, Saints, Leeds etc who step up and look like theve been in the sides for years so i wouldnt go putting all my eggs in one basket expecting the youngsters weve got to dominate RL for the next ten years as it wont happen

You obviously were not there when you were thumped by the Robins in our first year back in Super league or when you lost in the play offs. On both occasions it was embarrassing when your players walked round the ground clapping empty seats. On the second occasion a special farewell had been arranged as it was your last home match of the season irrespective of the outcome of the match. Both times your supporters did not even stay to see the last five minute mark.

I have.

Despite last night's showing, I think Hull F.C is on the up.

That being said I wrote to Adam Pearson following our slaughter in the play-offs against Huddersfield in Sept, 2013. I've included an extract I wrote to him and still believe this is where Hull's real problem is:

"......one suggestion is to assess player performance in the context of how many 'good' games they have in a season. My view is that we are lacking players who can play consistently well week in, week out. We should be developing a squad where the stats prove that all players are putting in 'good' performances on a ratio of 1:3 rather than what I believe could be 1:6 or worse. On a 1:3 ratio that would mean any player would play 9 good games out of the whole Super League season: is that too much to ask of a professional? Apply that across a squad of 17 players and coaching team and this is where I think improvement must be made and where we reduce the number of overall losses, draws, and debacles such as last night."

How this inconsistency is 'coached out,' I don't know but too many players don't seem to know how to either play their way out of a corner or put their xollocxx on the line and fight their way out.

Did you get a reply?

I like the "back to basics" approach of your player analysis. Play better, and do it more often. Easy isn't it? Are you in consultancy?

And lo, here they are...

The "never been stuffed at home, never left early, holier than thou" brigade. Welcome guys!

Your club will never achieve anything if you are only expecting them to play one good match in three. Out of a squad of 17, on average, only just over 5 players would be having a good match. I doubt you would win many matches with this scenario.

Well you would know, having watched your lot fail to achieve in god knows how many years.

Were you not around when Rich Agar was here?



If you're expecting people to fork out the money to get into the game & then walk out as soon as it's kicked off then you're going to be sorely disappointed.

Bit before my time but I really hope you are right Mrs Barista. Anyway HKR board must think he has something special because they are looking to extend his contract.

Same s**t , different season.

Hudd's apart, you have yet to prove there are worse teams than yours, Wakefield is everybody's favourite to go down so for you to compare yourself with them in a desperate attempt to defend your teams poor start is laughable, that being so even IF you finish three places higher in the league than them, and there's no guarantee you will, you'll still be mixing it with the likes of Batley, disappointing for a club who along with their fans' had high expectations. I suppose the best way for you to compare yourself against Wakey if you must, is wait till you have played Widnes at their place as well.

That's the way. Why bring KR into it when the issue under discussion was the expectations of one of your supporters of your players. Is that the height you can reach with your contribution?

Where have I tried to defend our start. We played okay against a Huddersfield team who played very poorly. We tried hard against Warrington but offered little attacking threat. We gave up at half time against Leeds and never even started against Salford. It's been a very poor start.

I'm just responding to some fans who are spitting their dummies out and saying the season is over after 4 games. Afterall, looking at the fixtures this weekend, we could still easily be in the 8 at the end of the round. There's a long way to go yet. We might not win again all season and Batley might hump us 60-0, who knows? All I know is nothing is decided after 4 games.

To listen to some fans you'd think we're the only team ever to get a good hiding. The Wakefield result, Salford's loss to Saints etc. They show that we are not alone.

You're right in that just as Huddersfield and Wire were no reason to get carried away, Salford and Leeds are no reason to think we are in for a bad season.

We undoubtedly have a tough start and will hopefully start winning soon but its hard to see us getting much out of our next two games.

I don't expect anything at Wigan but the French often travel poorly so I wouldn't be writing that one off yet. If we can be 2 from 6 with a couple of good performances we can go into what is a nice run of winnable games with a bit of confidence, but if you are out of form they start to look a lot less winnable.

This really is Radfords last chance for me though. He has to start showing a bit of leadership to get us out of this slump. Top 8 is still well within our reach, but we've got to start stringing some performances together.

When speaking with a Rovers' supporter its not the height of the contribution but the depths we have to reach in order for you to understand.

The french play rovers the weekend before so will probably stay over for the Friday night game which will probably work in their favour

The club is run by Billy Smart with the clowns in charge.
Not a clue
We pay off two players costing the club a fortune, and recruit some more backs which can't even make the starting 19. Are any of them better than Arundel or Shannon and are we financially better off for outing them to bring in Naughton and Micheals.
While we have rectified the half backs, it is pointless if your pack is can't win the arm wrestle. We have needed one if not two rough beasts to plough up the middle for some time. Paea is quality but can't do it by himself, he's a short minute impact prop. We let Lynch go, what clown made that decision, had a monster season last year. Bowden and Green don't rip up any trees, and Watts turns up with a great game when he feels like it.
Totally disillusioned I'm afraid

A tad harsh IMO. We'd get much more value from Watts if we followed up - he has a great offload game but there's never anybody there to take one.

Some good points here, but everyone except me thought that Lynch was a spent force. Idiots.

Not quite true. Staffs FC for one was championing him until the end.