We won't sign mathers, we have a full back contracted till 2012.

I thought Rich horne was out of contract?

hornes contracted till 2011. Don't know what out stand off has to do with it though.

Perhaps they have a pop impresario who has players working for him from time to time



I heard one club used to pay one of the players wives £30k for some cleaning and I mean we would not use a ferry company or a major medical company to do some behind the scenes " sponsoring" would we



Most clubs have found ways around the cap to some extent and they always will

Hallelujah, thank fook for that! Who have we signed?

Er Tansey

The issue at wigan was they asked players mid season to change their contractural payments and shift some of it into the following year, thus effectively "cheating" the cap for the year in question. Don't think there is anything to stop a club paying a player different amounts for each year as long as it's done from the outset.

Doubt wire do that as they have had a pretty settled squad. My understanding is that they have made significant use of image rights payments which may land the players with unexpected tax bills

Don't see why that is cheating. As long as the salary for that year has not been breached why does it matter about changing contracts? It's no different to paying someones contract up early or giving someone a pay rise.

I dont think Mathers is as bad as some make out, saying that I would be suprised if Hudds signed him as Cudjoe looks a very good player who has filled in very well for them at FB this year.

I also think Tansey is a better all round player than Mathers.

Dunno, ask the RFL as they're the ones who fined them for it

The RFL found them in breach of the 'spirit' of the cap.

Also this...



The 'renegotiation' was basically 9 senior players saying they'd play for free for three months provided they got upgraded contracts the following season.

Or have a players wife work for a ferry company

I think that is called irony by Raggy. We have clearly not had a fullback since Brisoce left. Admittedly though, our complete success since on the field since that event, it's probably nothing to concern us with.

I think Cudjoe has shown he is capable of the job at full back and it would be a waste of money if Hudds signed Mathers. As for Tansey being all round player better than Mathers, I'm not sure but what I can say is that Mathers is a far better FB. Forget this 'pivot full back' we keep hearing about, dont think there is many in SL who can do that job to the standard required, well not English players.

huddersfield did the same as st helens ( ie sean long) offer him a 1 year deal and said he could look to find a club willing to offer him 2 year deal which hogdson as done ( i think lol )

In some peoples minds mathers will be a better 'full back' than carney but I know who I'd rather have there.

Like I've said tansey just has to stop looking for the big play every time he gets the ball.

Sure there's other things he can improve on but hopefully he'll have it ironed out by finals time.

Huddersfield have got another Hodgson as a replacement who looks pretty handy, they'd be wasting time and money getting Mathers. Mathers isn't a better fullback than Tansey, they are both dreadful in the position, and Leeds wanted neither as a fullback. The fashionable talk of "pivot" fullbacks is nonsense, the good ones have always chimed into the line and acted like a 2nd stand off. Because a fullback is poor at ball returns and can't catch the ball on the full does not make them a pivot, just a poor fullback.

Why I am not suprised



Both pretty solid at the back, but are prone to the odd mistake, Tansey offers more in attack though, making him a better FB IMO.

the questions is would Hull be better with

1:Tansey
6:Horne

or

1:Mathers
6:Tansey

This is what I dont get Tansey runs the ball back pretty well, and usually catchs the ball (on the other thread about Tansey i asked people to name the times Tansey has dropped the high ball apart from Friday, no-one has yet to answer the question.)


Also Leeds didnt choose to let mathers go, he choose to leave Leeds for the NRL, same with Tansey, who at the time was never going to play FB for Leeds with Webb there.

Everybody goes pn about Briscoe, but compare the stats of the 2 players, there isnt much between them. Tansey needs to improve his mistakes (Alot of thet is to do with him acting as an extra halfback with Long out), but apart from that he is better than Briscoe in about every area.

fully agree dave, I don't think hull fans will be happy with a full back for the next 20 years.

Hull fans aint been happy with any full back since Briscoe left, what does that tell you?

some hull fans rupert ,some.

They haven't watched the highlights of the bradford v dobbins game from Sunday?

Lol, has been very up and down so far this season, bit like the majority of the players, no consistency what so ever.

Briscoe was/is was one of the most committed players in SL, bravery personified – that’s what I miss. Tansey has the ability to offer Hull far more from full back then Briscoe ever did, but the confidence has been completely knocked out of him.

It usually starts with a simple high kick, nothing special but enough to have our back three looking nervous for the rest of the game. Is there a team any poorer then Hull at defending kicks (especially bombs)? At one stage Whiting was isolated on his wing, defending a kick against 6 Wakey players, how does that happen?