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| Quote ="Mild Rover"He was here in 2008, so I am assuming he counts on neither list (along with Vella and Fisher).'"
Sorry yer, I did know that!! Cheers.
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| The way i see it is that Rovers will still have room to draft more in from overseas which i would expect them to take advantage of but Hull wont bother because their fans care deeply about our National team and Kath will listen to their views.
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| Quote ="R.B.A"The way i see it is that Rovers will still have room to draft more in from overseas which i would expect them to take advantage of but Hull wont bother because their fans care deeply about our National team and Kath will listen to their views.'"
Bit disrepectful for someone who purports to champion Rovers youth development.
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| Quote ="R.B.A"The way i see it is that Rovers will still have room to draft more in from overseas which i would expect them to take advantage of but Hull wont bother because their fans care deeply about our National team and Kath will listen to their views.'"
Bit short sighted for someone who whinged like a good un about the P Poor performance of England in the 4 Nations.
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| Quote ="mat"so you keep saying. but the question is WHY do webster and galea not count as overseas trained.
Is it because they were already in SL when the quota rules changed and have been reclassified as federation trained like the kolpak player playing in SL were?'"
Yes.
Quote ="mat"If so does this mean than all the Overseas quota players who were playing in SL prior to feb 2008 and who are still here (brent webb, glenn morrison etc) are now classed as federation trained until they retire/leave SL?'"
They are all eligible to apply for Fed Trained status. I doubt any of them bothered as until today nobody apparently knew that it would make a difference.
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| Quote ="R.B.A"The way i see it is that Rovers will still have room to draft more in from overseas which i would expect them to take advantage of but Hull wont bother because their fans care deeply about our National team and Kath will listen to their views.'"
Moderators really shouldn't troll.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Moderators really shouldn't troll.
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Hypothetically, can you ban him?
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| Quote ="Kosh"I've just spent the last half hour looking at this, and I think my above post is only partially correct. The 'two list' system will result in only 5 overseas trained players once all the pre-2008 exemption players have retired or moved on.
There are 10 overall 'slots' available but Aussies/NZ/etc take up 2 'slots' each. If you sign 5 Aussies they use up all the slots in both lists. If you sign 5 Tongans they only take up the 5 'slots' in the Non Fed list, but the theoretically available 'slots' in the Quota list are useless unless you can find a player who, for instance, has Aussie nationality but trained in the UK.
So for us...
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Ogre
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Ogre
Moa
Lauaki
We have one Non Fed slot open and 3 Quota slots, but we would only be able to use one of the Quota slots on an Aussie as he would also take up our last Non Fed slot.
Rovers have a unique (AFAIK) situation in having two Quota players who don't count as Non Fed as they were here pre-2008. This is what has allowed them to sign Mason as a Non Fed player.
It seems likely that given the complexity of the system and the somewhat misleading information published on it in the past, the clubs themselves were not aware of the details. My guess would be that Rovers, in extremis, went to the RFL with the Mason issue to see if they could get dispensation only to be told that they didn't need it!'" So does that mean that I was correct in my assumption that ANYONE who was here pre feb 08 got the exemption on contract renewal when I was told a while ago that I was wrong.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Bit disrepectful for someone who purports to champion Rovers youth development.
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I would settle for winning the Grand Final this year with a bunch of Aussies. Its a cross i would bear. In three years time though i expect to see Sherriff, Bell, Peterson, Hardcastle, Cox, Taylor (x2), Ollett, Gay, Green, Salter et al climbing the steps.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Yes.
They are all eligible to apply for Fed Trained status. I doubt any of them bothered as until today nobody apparently knew that it would make a difference.'"
So, is it feasible that the RFL have said that if Galea gets his Maltese passport, and due to the length of time he has been at the club he would have been able to count as fed trained? However, since his application would take a year to be complete, yet the RFL have said to Rovers they have a quota spot to fill in the shape of Mason, that the RFL could have granted Rovers dispensation to have Mason off the quota until Galea goes?
Putting to bed all of the stuff in paper saying that Rovers could sign another aussie with Mason off the quota...
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| Quote ="Kosh"Moderators really shouldn't troll.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Hypothetically, can you ban him?
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I think that causes some sort of subspace feedback within the moderators power network. Might fry the whole site.
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| Quote ="R.B.A"I would settle for winning the Grand Final this year with a bunch of Aussies.'"
You won't be doing it any other way, will you?
Quote ="R.B.A"In three years time though i expect to see Sherriff, Bell, Peterson, Hardcastle, Cox, Taylor (x2), Ollett, Gay, Green, Salter et al climbing the steps.'"
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Might not be such a bad idea lol
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| Quote ="Kosh"I think that causes some sort of subspace feedback within the moderators power network. Might fry the whole site.'"
Let's hope so.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"So does that mean that I was correct in my assumption that ANYONE who was here pre feb 08 got the exemption on contract renewal when I was told a while ago that I was wrong.
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Nope. Only Non Fed players get the exemption as stated. We just have new players added to that group now.
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| Quote ="Kosh" I doubt any of them bothered as until today nobody apparently knew that it would make a difference.'" Someone did but he was told he was incorrect
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Mild Rover is a diamond. The next best one is Matty.
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You belong in the RFL
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i emailed the RFL but only got the statuary reply>
Thank you for your email regarding player rules and eligibility.
Below are a series of FAQ’s designed to explain queries regarding the Quota and Federation rulings.
1 – What is the Quota rule?
- The overseas Quota is a limit on the number of players RFL member clubs can register who do not have a right to work in the UK (generally speaking on account of not holding a current European Union member country passport).
- Currently, Super League clubs are permitted five Quota players, one for Championship clubs and two for Championship One clubs.
2 – Is it only European Union passport holders who are ‘off-Quota’?
- No. The EU has signed various trade and association agreements promoting, amongst other things, free trade between the EU states and signatory nation(s)
- Of particular relevance to Rugby League is the ‘Cotonou Agreement’ signed with the ‘African, Caribbean and Pacific Group of States’ in June 2000.
- Signatories to the Cotonou agreement included various Pacific Island states such as Cook Islands, Fiji, Papua New Guinea, Samoa and Tonga.
3 – What does that mean?
- Cotonou country passport holders are, as a consequence of the European Court of Justice’s 2003 ‘Kolpak’ ruling, given free movement to work within the European Union (and therefore the UK).
- The Kolpak judgment declared that citizens of countries that have signed agreements with the European Union, have the same right to freedom of work and movement within the EU as EU citizens (subject to any visa restrictions)
- Thus any restrictions placed on their right to work (such as quotas setting maximum numbers of such foreign players in sports teams) are not compatible with EU law.
4 – How does that impact on Rugby League?
- In short, as a result of the Cotonou agreement and Kolpak judgment, players who hold a current passport for a country such as the Cook Islands, Samoa, Tonga, etc (or an EU country such as France, Malta etc) cannot count as Quota players.
5 – What are the RFL’s ‘Club Trained’ rules
- The Club Trained rule only applies to Super League clubs and was first implemented for the 2008 season.
- Clubs are required to have a minimum number of such players (defined as those developed by the club at some point between ages 16-21) in their first team squad.
- The ‘Club Trained’ rules are separate to the Quota rules and were designed to encourage the development of ‘home grown’ (‘Club Trained’) players.
- In encouraging the development of ‘home grown’ players, the ‘Club Trained’ rules include a limit on the number of ‘Non Federation Trained’ players within a club’s first team squad.
6 – What is a ‘Non Federation Trained’ player?
- In simplified terms, a ‘Non Federation Trained’ player is one who was not playing for a club within the Rugby League European Federation between age 16-21.
- Clubs are limited to five ‘Non Federation Trained’ players only.
7 – Can there be ‘Non Federation Trained’ exemptions?
- There are a number of current Super League players who would otherwise count as ‘Non Federation Trained’ who have been given ‘Federation Trained’ player status by RFL dispensation.
- Such dispensations have largely been granted on account of the players in question having been playing for an RFL member club (whether in the UK or France) before the rules were introduced.
8 – Do players only count on one list?
- No. The Quota and Club Trained rule systems operate as separate squad requirements.
- Depending on his circumstances, a player might count as both a Quota player and as a ‘Non Federation Trained’ player.
- For example, a player holding a passport from, say, Australia or New Zealand only and whose player development was outside the European Federation (i.e. between ages 16-21) will count as both a Quota player and a ‘Non Federation Trained’ player.
- However, by contrast, if the same player holds a current, say, Samoan passport, he would be classified as ‘off Quota’ but would still count on the club’s ‘Non Federation Trained’ list.
Ultimately, in understanding the separate rules as to overseas players, it is perhaps important to understand that there are two separate lists and that players might count as both Quota and Non Federation Trained players – but some will count on one list but not the other depending on their passport and whether they have been granted Federation Trained status by RFL dispensation.
I hope these have clarified the confusion surrounding your query.
Regards
The RFL
Nathan Clarke
Media Executive
Media
RFL
Red Hall, Red Hall Lane, Leeds, LS17 8NB
Mobile - 07921899106
New Direct Line Phone - 0113 823 9114
nathan.clarke@rfl.uk.com
www.therfl.co.uk
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i emailed the RFL but only got the statuary reply>
Thank you for your email regarding player rules and eligibility.
Below are a series of FAQ’s designed to explain queries regarding the Quota and Federation rulings.
1 – What is the Quota rule?
- The overseas Quota is a limit on the number of players RFL member clubs can register who do not have a right to work in the UK (generally speaking on account of not holding a current European Union member country passport).
- Currently, Super League clubs are permitted five Quota players, one for Championship clubs and two for Championship One clubs.
2 – Is it only European Union passport holders who are ‘off-Quota’?
- No. The EU has signed various trade and association agreements promoting, amongst other things, free trade between the EU states and signatory nation(s)
- Of particular relevance to Rugby League is the ‘Cotonou Agreement’ signed with the ‘African, Caribbean and Pacific Group of States’ in June 2000.
- Signatories to the Cotonou agreement included various Pacific Island states such as Cook Islands, Fiji, Papua New Guinea, Samoa and Tonga.
3 – What does that mean?
- Cotonou country passport holders are, as a consequence of the European Court of Justice’s 2003 ‘Kolpak’ ruling, given free movement to work within the European Union (and therefore the UK).
- The Kolpak judgment declared that citizens of countries that have signed agreements with the European Union, have the same right to freedom of work and movement within the EU as EU citizens (subject to any visa restrictions)
- Thus any restrictions placed on their right to work (such as quotas setting maximum numbers of such foreign players in sports teams) are not compatible with EU law.
4 – How does that impact on Rugby League?
- In short, as a result of the Cotonou agreement and Kolpak judgment, players who hold a current passport for a country such as the Cook Islands, Samoa, Tonga, etc (or an EU country such as France, Malta etc) cannot count as Quota players.
5 – What are the RFL’s ‘Club Trained’ rules
- The Club Trained rule only applies to Super League clubs and was first implemented for the 2008 season.
- Clubs are required to have a minimum number of such players (defined as those developed by the club at some point between ages 16-21) in their first team squad.
- The ‘Club Trained’ rules are separate to the Quota rules and were designed to encourage the development of ‘home grown’ (‘Club Trained’) players.
- In encouraging the development of ‘home grown’ players, the ‘Club Trained’ rules include a limit on the number of ‘Non Federation Trained’ players within a club’s first team squad.
6 – What is a ‘Non Federation Trained’ player?
- In simplified terms, a ‘Non Federation Trained’ player is one who was not playing for a club within the Rugby League European Federation between age 16-21.
- Clubs are limited to five ‘Non Federation Trained’ players only.
7 – Can there be ‘Non Federation Trained’ exemptions?
- There are a number of current Super League players who would otherwise count as ‘Non Federation Trained’ who have been given ‘Federation Trained’ player status by RFL dispensation.
- Such dispensations have largely been granted on account of the players in question having been playing for an RFL member club (whether in the UK or France) before the rules were introduced.
8 – Do players only count on one list?
- No. The Quota and Club Trained rule systems operate as separate squad requirements.
- Depending on his circumstances, a player might count as both a Quota player and as a ‘Non Federation Trained’ player.
- For example, a player holding a passport from, say, Australia or New Zealand only and whose player development was outside the European Federation (i.e. between ages 16-21) will count as both a Quota player and a ‘Non Federation Trained’ player.
- However, by contrast, if the same player holds a current, say, Samoan passport, he would be classified as ‘off Quota’ but would still count on the club’s ‘Non Federation Trained’ list.
Ultimately, in understanding the separate rules as to overseas players, it is perhaps important to understand that there are two separate lists and that players might count as both Quota and Non Federation Trained players – but some will count on one list but not the other depending on their passport and whether they have been granted Federation Trained status by RFL dispensation.
I hope these have clarified the confusion surrounding your query.
Regards
The RFL
Nathan Clarke
Media Executive
Media
RFL
Red Hall, Red Hall Lane, Leeds, LS17 8NB
Mobile - 07921899106
New Direct Line Phone - 0113 823 9114
nathan.clarke@rfl.uk.com
www.therfl.co.uk
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| So, hmm, erm, does this mean that the rules for this season have been amended or have they just been explained more in depth? I gave up after the third reading and cleared off for a Chinese
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| Quote ="Farmer Giles"So, hmm, erm, does this mean that the rules for this season have been amended or have they just been explained more in depth? I gave up after the third reading and cleared off for a Chinese'"
You dont work for the RFL do you?
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| Quote ="Farmer Giles"So, hmm, erm, does this mean that the rules for this season have been amended or have they just been explained more in depth? I gave up after the third reading and cleared off for a [uChinese[/u'"
Is he qouta or non-qouta
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| She's quota and does a very good trick with ping pong balls
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| Quote ="Farmer Giles"So, hmm, erm, does this mean that the rules for this season have been amended or have they just been explained more in depth? I gave up after the third reading and cleared off for a Chinese'"
Was it Willie May sum?
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