Experience means nowt, we lost with Azza and Horne in the halves. Give the young lads a go, cant be any worse than last week

i think,that one of the problems in attack,is that when the try line is within reach,we have tended to get over excited and go into panic mode,because we have not scored,and this is leading to a lack of concentration,resulting in a lost chance.

[url=http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Hull-FC-star-Jamie-Shaul-ll-knuckle-place/story-20873674-detail/story.htmlSeems like Shaul may well be at full back[/url

Miller and Rankin in the halves ?

yes.

Hope Rankin and Miller are the halves tonight, but if we have another stinker of a game. I hope they are both given time and not ousted after one effort. Give them time to gel. They've played together before in Australia. They need a run of game to show what they can do. They also need the rest of the team performing.

Not particularly confident tonight I think we're too light in the forwards now - one class forward too many missing for me. Hope I'm wrong obviously. If we do get beaten up front it will be pretty obvious and I doubt blame will be attached to the halves whoever plays there. Against Widnes the forwards did ok but the backs stunk in my opinion and that was equally as obvious.

blame should be at any player regardless of there position,if they have a mare,you've just said the backs was bad against widnes..true,& have been called poor all week..now If the forwads don't win the battle upfront it makes hard work for the pivots to create,so then good halfs should be able to organise & drag/kick a team around the park, & get the best out of there team? But are our halfs good enough to do this? Any pair not just miller & Rankin? I'm quite nervous about tonight! :-/

Playing Miller and Rankin in the halves against a pack that are likely to get dominated???

I hope Miller and Rankin play the games of their lives and leave Radford having to stick to his word and not drop them.

There's a difference between 'having a mare' and not having an opportunity to play well. If you don't generate 'go forward' as it's complexly named these days you can't do much else on the back of it. Last week we did OK there but were diabolical behind it. If the forwards prove me wrong and perform well tonight then the backs must also perform. If the forwards struggle then you can't kick your way out of trouble if you're always kicking from inside your own 30. Ask London if you're in any doubt.

I hope its Rankin and Miller too but I'd be suprised if Horne is dropped

We'll either win by about 4 points or we'll get beat by about 18 imo.
Seriously missing Paea and Carvell.

I can't see Horne being moved from 6 either unfortunately.

Horne or Rankin on the bench I reckon.

Shaul
Colbon
Crooks
Yeaman
Talanoa
Horne
Miller
Watts
Houghton
Pitts
Tuson
Whiting
Westerman

Thompson
Heremia
Hadley
Feka

[url=http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Hull-FC-coach-Lee-Radford-8216-Jacob-Miller-prove/story-20876715-detail/story.htmlHeadline makes it sound a bit like if he doesn't shine tonight he'll be straight back out, but Radford's quoted comments seem more reasonable. Hopefully 'performs to their ability' also means 'as well as circumstances allow' if the pack struggle.[/url

Out of the 3 centres, why would Arundel be the one you'd leave out? Would seem highly unfair and the opposite of what we should be doing IMO, on merit I'd say he's currently the least deserving of being dropped.

[u[i“The drums have been beating for me to give him a game and it’s now on his toes, so we’ll see what he’s got. He hasn’t played so far because of his performances in the friendly games.[/i[/u

The above is a quote from Radford which I find amazing, bearing in mind that Miller did not have the advantage of playing with the first team squad and had to make do with the second string in the friendlies. It really seems to me that Jacob doesn't have much of a future under Radford.

Beat me to it. How the hell was he supposed to perform well in the friendlies behind a second/third string pack? He's set him up to fail, that being the case.

Edit: And is that the plan tonight? Give him a run out behind a severely weakened pack, then decide he's not good enough if he doesn't have a very good game?

TBF, in [url=http://hullfc.com/article/33640/big-chance-for-miller-against-devilsthis[/url piece Radford says it was particularly the Bradford game, where Miller did indeed play with the rest of the first team. What I personally disagree with is that that was the only time IIRC, and he shouldn't have seemingly been ruled out of first team reckoning after one bad runout. I hope that doesn't happen again if he isn't less than stellar tonight, he needs to be given a run of games.

Not amazing in the slightest. He's been picked tonight and has his opportunity. Let's all hope he takes it.

Sounds like he's got the perfect excuse to say I told you so if Miller doesnt give a m.o.m performace tonight

The second comment is my worry. We'll have to see how it goes tonight, but if he's dropped after one game it won't be right IMO. Rankin and Heremaia were given 3 games, Horne 6, Miller should be afforded at least the same. Hopefully he will be.

Also, he shouldn't really have to be amazing tonight to retain his place, he should really only need to be better than the 2 were last week. Hopefully he should be able to do that.

He also specifically mentions defence. Seems an odd reason to leave a halfback out, to me. Particularly when he says that he had a 'good solid pre-season' other than that.

Just shows what a shambles pre-season was.All Radford seemed to be interested in was getting one over Rovers.

I agree with you. I was just pointing out that the comment wasn't entirely unfair, as the main issue does seem to revolve around the game in which he played with the first team.

Agree entirely. He shouldn't have been left out after the Saints game either.