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| Quote ="hullbg"So if we get a twisted ankle and the doctor comes on the pitch a ref should stop the game? The sad thing is if we had won there would not have been 22 pages about the Dobson forward pass or the Martin injury.'"
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| Quote ="Hessle Roader"Are you sure Sandycock can spare them.'"
Yeah he buys them in bulk
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| I really despise Ganson. When you see his name listed as the referee, you immediately know that once the game is over, the talk will be about him - and that's exactly what he's after.
When he's in the middle of the field, it's the Steve Ganson Show. He's vain, egotistical, and strives to create controversy in the pursuit of hearing his own name mentioned.
I can handle it when a referee makes a mistake - they're human afterall, but a referee going out of their way to create controversy and bad feeling, instead of being fair and level-headed, is outrageous.
Everyone of us can think of atleast 3 or 4 crazy desicions this guy has made against their team. It's a sad story for refereeing in this country when Ganson is amongst those at the top.
If Rovers had lost the game, there'd be a thread on there about Ganson too.
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| Quote ="Barnabus"I really despise Ganson. When you see his name listed as the referee, you immediately know that once the game is over, the talk will be about him - and that's exactly what he's after.
When he's in the middle of the field, it's the Steve Ganson Show. He's vain, egotistical, and strives to create controversy in the pursuit of hearing his own name mentioned.
I can handle it when a referee makes a mistake - they're human afterall, but a referee going out of their way to create controversy and bad feeling, instead of being fair and level-headed, is outrageous.
Everyone of us can think of atleast 3 or 4 crazy desicions this guy has made against their team. It's a sad story for refereeing in this country when Ganson is amongst those at the top.
If Rovers had lost the game, there'd be a thread on there about Ganson too.'"
Totally agree, the problem is it only happens when he's refereeing a live game on sky if the game ain't on sky he more often than not calls it fairly
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| Quote ="Barnabus"I really despise Ganson. When you see his name listed as the referee, you immediately know that once the game is over, the talk will be about him - and that's exactly what he's after.
When he's in the middle of the field, it's the Steve Ganson Show. He's vain, egotistical, and strives to create controversy in the pursuit of hearing his own name mentioned.
I can handle it when a referee makes a mistake - they're human afterall, but a referee going out of their way to create controversy and bad feeling, instead of being fair and level-headed, is outrageous.
Everyone of us can think of =#FF0000atleast 3 or 4 crazy desicions this guy has made against their team. It's a sad story for refereeing in this country when Ganson is amongst those at the top.
If Rovers had lost the game, there'd be a thread on there about Ganson too.'"
Enlighten me ... I can't think of too many 'Ganson' moments against us.
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| Quote ="jacko1"Totally agree, the problem is it only happens when he's refereeing a live game on sky if the game ain't on sky he more often than not =#FF0000calls it fairly'"
Are you really suggesting he doesn't call games fairly when on Sky then?
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| Quote ="☺East-Sard☺"Are you really suggesting he doesn't call games fairly when on Sky then?'"
I don't think he does not call them fairly, I think he just likes to be the centre of attention. Lets face it when a commentator says
"You can count on Ganson to create controversy & Drama"
You know he has a reputation for doing just that.
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| Quote ="hullbg"I don't think he does not call them fairly, I think he just likes to be the centre of attention. Lets face it when a commentator says
"You can count on Ganson to create controversy & Drama"
You know he has a reputation for doing just that.'"
I wouldn't say that he craves the attention, it's just that he's prepared to make big calls which creates the attention.
Ganson's his own man and referees in his own way and sometimes controversy follows.
For the game on Saturday, no one will contest the poor decision of the fwd pass. Between them the TJ and Ganson should've made the right call. How the TJ managed to miss it, was (and is) appalling. Still, these things happen from time to time. Doesn't make it right, and it hurts when it goes against you. You had the misfortune for this to be a poignant moment in the game.
The injury debate - it's a tough one to call (without all the facts known). The way it happened and then the play to swiftly move away from the incident I doubt any of the officials would've suspected/known a really serious injury had occurred. By the time the injury had been fully assessed by your physio team etc - Ganson was probably stuck between a rock and hard place. Stopping the game (having let us continue for so long) would've caused uproar from our side and the same finger of blame from us towards the official. As it was, he let us play on and we scored. Had we not, I'm sure he would've stopped play (or had Martin already been taken off?). In which case, why the rush to get him off given the potential seriousness of the injury? Like, I said without all the facts known - it's hard to call.
On Ganson's overall performance. He didn't have to bin Dobson (tho' the right call imo - other officials might not have taken that action). The drop out near the end, he didn't have to look @ the video, to call the drop out either. Swings and roundabouts innit, we benefitted and won the game. Had we not won the game, like others have said, it would be a none issue. Think everyone's just gotta' move on. It's happened, we got 2pts and you lot look well set to finish in a strong position. People questioning Ganson's 'fairness' is just silly.
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| Quote ="☺East-Sard☺"People questioning Ganson's 'fairness' is just silly.'"
despite the weight of evidence to suggest he's as bent as a piece of chicken wire?
dream all you want, you didn't win that game, Ganson gifted you it, and he [ipotentially[/i denied somene vital medical attention in doing so.
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| Quote ="hullbg"The sad thing is if we had won there would not have been 22 pages about the Dobson forward pass or the Martin injury.'"
Wanna bet?
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| Quote ="☺East-Sard☺"I wouldn't say that he craves the attention, it's just that he's prepared to make big calls which creates the attention.
Ganson's his own man and referees in his own way and sometimes controversy follows.'"
I am 100% certain that Ganson deliberately attempts to manipulate games through the decisions that he makes. He clearly feels that he should be an active participant rather than a simple facilitator. Whether or not he has a particular bias against one side or another is less clear - we could simply be unfortunate that his bent manipulations more often than not cause us grief - but I am sure that he intentionally intervenes to make things more 'interesting'.
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| You lot make me laugh!
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| I would sooner have not been awarded that try but had Michael Dobson on the park for the full 80 minutes.
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| Quote ="Standee"despite the weight of evidence to suggest he's as bent as a piece of chicken wire?
dream all you want, you didn't win that game, Ganson gifted you it, =#FF0000and he [ipotentially[/i denied somene vital medical attention in doing so.'"
Did he though?
Again, I don't know the facts here - but someone earlier claimed that the doctor was on the pitch and all that?
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You're easily pleased, drop in anytime
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| Quote ="☺East-Sard☺"Did he though?
Again, I don't know the facts here - but someone earlier claimed that the doctor was on the pitch and all that?'"
the game should have stopped, it's as simple as that.
We lost, we had it in our power to win and we didn't, nut muddynuts saying in the press that it's bigger than a Grand Final win is just hilarious, it wont keep KR afloat next season, it was two points which Ganson gifted a terrible KR side.
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| Quote ="Standee"despite the weight of evidence to suggest he's as bent as a piece of chicken wire?
dream all you want, you didn't win that game, Ganson gifted you it, and [uhe [ipotentially[/i denied somene vital medical attention in doing so.[/u'"
I do wish people would stop being so overdramatic.
Referees are encouraged to stop the game immediately if they consider that:
a) the player and/or those attending to him are potentially interfering with play - He/they were not
b) a serious injury has occurred - this usually means a head/neck/back injury and an immobile player - He may not have been immediately ambulant but he was sitting rather than laying prone and unconscious.
The correct decision was to play on
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| Quote ="Kosh"I am 100% certain that Ganson deliberately attempts to manipulate games through the decisions that he makes. He clearly feels that he should be an active participant rather than a simple facilitator. Whether or not he has a particular bias against one side or another is less clear - we could simply be unfortunate that his bent manipulations more often than not cause us grief - but I am sure that he intentionally intervenes to make things more 'interesting'.'"
Having been on the end of 'his bent manipulations' I'm 100% certain that your views perhaps could have a conflict of interests on your certainty Ganson deliberately attempts to manipulate games through the decisions that he makes. Mind you, by the same concept, my views on Ganson's decisions can be construed in the same (opposite) way.
By your post, am I right assuming that you genuinely believe that Ganson deliberately went on the Hull vendetta in the last 10 mins or so, just to make the game interesting?
Well if that’s the case, you can have Ganson and we’ll keep Thaler.
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| I'd like to add to all of this that having been an ex referee from the 1980's allbeit for only a couple of seasons.....when I was requested to act as a 'touch judge' for an important amateur game at the Circle (now The KC) the top "Hull referee" instructed me and the other touchy to 'let things go, because if we kept waving our flags.....it LOOKS POOR and makes me look incompetent'.
Needless to say, over the years and to this day, that SAME DIRECTIVE MUST be still being enforced for TV coverage.
However, as a referee your 'credability and impartialness' CANNOT be brought into question....With Steve Ganson this IS nearly every game.
The GUY is not a cheat.....JUST TOTALLY UP HIS OWN AR2E. He needs SUSPENDING.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"I [ithink[/i (but obviously don't know because it's someone else) that the point MMJ is making is if it is a case like last night where the receiving player actually catches the ball in front of where the passing player is [iat the time the ball is caught[/i, not where he passed the ball from. The only way that could ever not be a forward pass is if the passing player, after throwing the ball, then either stops stone dead from running, or runs back towards his own line at a pace faster than the ball is travelling backwards. I'd be interested if there are any physicists on here who can tell us if this is even possible.
I can see how a TV replay can prove a forward pass in those scenarios, but I would, however, say that you can't go to the screen for those instances and not other forward passes IMO, it wouldn't be right.'"
That was the very point I thought I'd stated. The receiver of the ball being in front of the passer at the point of taking the ball.
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"I still don't understand this argument, Latus scored on Martin's wing so his injury directly interfered with play. And what if Briscoe got an intercept and ran into Martin and his doctors? Ridiculous decision to play on.'"
As there so many "what ifs" in your post, how about this one.
What if in that set of six, rovers scored on the opposite wing, would have have been ok to carry on!
Of course Hull were disadvantaged, but players being treated whilst play continues is a part of our game. The only reason for stopping if it directly interferes with play or it's a head injury.
Too much being made of this, it's a non issue.
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| Wonder if Ganson has got the guts to tell PG he was wrong?
What do you think?
Hes not putting in a complaint hes just asking a simple question and I am sure thats not hard for him to do is it?
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| He obviously gave that pass the benefit of the doubt, you know like when Jordan Turner was nowhere near grounding the ball at the KC
1-1 I guess that makes it
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| Quote ="MrPhilb"He obviously gave that pass the benefit of the doubt, you know like when Jordan Turner was nowhere near grounding the ball at the KC
1-1 I guess that makes it'"
No Philb, thats 2-1 to you lot based on the fact the Fred Lindop robbed us in 1980.
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| Quote ="MrPhilb"He obviously gave that pass the benefit of the doubt, you know like when Jordan Turner was nowhere near grounding the ball at the KC
1-1 I guess that makes it'"
Even by your usual low standards of intelligence, that comment is dredging the pits of fookwittery
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