It's not as technical as that Dave

Whiting isn't a centre and Calderwood only see the ball from kicks. But hey whatever floats your boat.

I've said it before. Thorman first name off the team sheet. Berrigan to centre, get 80 mins out of him in a position he can play and where we're short of a player; Whiting to Loose, that's clearly what he is and should be played there week in week out for the rest of this season; Lee to 7 , at least you'd get good defence and look to stop the other half; Houghton at 9 for 80,why not? That gives more rotation in the back row as it stands and stops us having 3 hookers all effectively being used as hookers and wasting bench spots. The rest as is with some more sensible interchange timings.

My team for the Saints game would be
Tony
Calderwood
Whiting
Yeaman
Raynor
Horne
Berrigan or Lee
Dowes
Berrigan or Lee
Thackray
Tickle
Burnett
Radford
Subs
Houghton
Maloney
King
Hall
Keep Thorman and Moa way from the 1st team, Thorman should be dropped like Hall was and gotinto the under 21's.

Why waste a 21's spot on Thorman, pay him off now or loan him out for the rest of the season.

My team for Saints

Tony
Calderwood
Whiting
Yeaman
Raynor
Horne
Lee
Dowes
Berrigan
Thackray
Tickle
Burnett
Radford
Subs
Houghton
Maloney
Moa
Hall

With a kick up the ar$e as they come out to wrm up and another one as they go out for kick off

Motu
Calderwood
Yeaman
Hall
Raynor
Horne
Berrigan
Dowes
Lee
Thackray
Radford
Tickle
Whiting

King
Maloney
Houghton
Burnett

Swap the centre around and let Hall play on his more natural side, add Whiting to the creative mix.

My team for Saints

Tony
Calderwood
Yeaman
Hall
Raynor
Horne
Berrigan
Dowes
Lee
King
Tickle
Radford
Whiting

Subs -
Houghton
Maloney
Burnett
Thackray

Stop nicking my side

Not quite





My side would beat yours

I would go with that. Dont think Agar will move Radders from loose forward though!

Agreed. Whiting should have been at LF weeks ago.

I think Whiting needs to be in a more central role now I thought he was caught out of position a few times yesterday.

Hall and Yeaman in the centres.

IMO it is not looking something like. We have shipped 3 tries in 2 games as a direct result of Whiting getting his defensive positioning/reading wrong. Personally I rate him but we should be giving him a chance at LF.

Thorman is a disgrace to the club and the no 7 shirt, but I bet Agar plays him against Saints. Changes are needed - here goes ......
Tony (not ideal)
Calderwood
Hall
Yeaman
Raynor
Horne
Berrigan (not ideal)
Radford
Houghton
Thackray
Burnett
Tickle
Whiting

Lee
somebody with passion
ditto
ditto

Saves me typing it out mate..........SPOT ON with that team

Works for me.

Doubt we'll see it, though.

Although he was replaced by a one-legged player who's been out for weeks and hasn't been training at half even when he was fit. And he still created more, even if he had no pace and the timing of his passes was a bit off. Plus the game had gone and the players were visibly down, especially after the mistake from the drop-out.

Basically, I don't think we can judge the attack with Berrigan at half based on that 40 mins.

I would go with that, but may be (just may be) I would swap King for Moa.

I would let Thorman go. He is clearly not up to it. I could give a lengthy monologue on why but, basically, I think the crux is that he offers us nothing in attack and nothing in defence. His, sometimes good, kicking game was not even on display last night. I'd rather see Lee given a longer chance at 7 than carry on with this debacle.

Best kick we put up all night was from a hurried lee radford! Says it all......

If you exclude Horney's for Yeamo's try

Haha yeah possibly anyway don't start gettin clever we are picking on thorman ain't we!!!

I hope Thorman has played his last game for us, he is clearly incompetent and dis-interested.

I agree with the comments though that whether he was on the pitch or not we looked clueless with the ball. Do we even work with the ball in training as it doesnt look that way. Everything seemed to be unplanned and no one seemed to know what was going on at any point in time. Sack the coach and take Thorman with him for me!

i think berro would thrive at 7, and would be good there, with options coming off him!

He looked eagar when he went there in the second half, but you could tell the side were deflated after the try right on half time. You could tell he was thinking along the right lines when he tried to give the ball to raynor, alright it went behing him but he slipped when releasing it, but the close up of raynor saw him nod to berro for the idea, its that kind of creativity we want