On current form yes i'd have TL over Berro as reputation counts for nothing in my book.

I do rate Berro so you misunderstand me, i just dont hold him like some kind of god on a pedestal without him proving it to me week in and week out at my club.

Yes i gave him a 6 on Saturday as i watched the game a few times on DVD and havent really seen anything from him (or Horney) to say that our halves were great. We played well because of the offload game not the link of our halfbacks.

must have something to do with playing at the broncos' ie :champs and then at fc ie:chumps..

And thats the point im trying to get some of the blinkered FC fans on here to realise!

By those standards surely a champion player should still look a champion player in a team of chumps then rather than simply looking like another chump like he has done?

Could well be, your game always improves with better players around you. If his game doesnt improve with next years pack surrounding him, then maybe he is just another average Aussie.

I don't doubt that he hasn't lived up to the hype however to suggest Tommy Lee is playing better then him is something I disagree with. Tommy Lee did nothing on Saturday apart from put in the worst kick of the game. Berro put in the best kick of the game and put in some decent kicks, he also took on the line quite well too.

Yes on Saturday. What about the previous 15 or 20 games this season to build up a more rounded and consistent picture?

He must be on drugs. Berrigan is quality and if he had been at Leeds, Saints or another top 6 club he would be pushing for MOS. Even when you are $hite he shines through and thats out of position most of the time.

In the limited games youve seen him play and inconsistently in those games too.

Im not on drugs (although ive contemplated it to get through an FC game before i realised the entertainment itself is a natural sedative) and if you had seen all of our games this season you would realise that Lee have played far better than Berro consistently all season. Berrigan being quality has nothing to do with how he has performed. You could argue that putting TL into any top 6 team would make him look even better too.

i can see the qulaity berrigan has in fc's team, he stands out a mile in my opinion and i agree that if he was at leeds or saints etc, he would be up for man of steel

Except Berrigan has the world class pedigree behind him and as the saying goes, form is temporary, class is permanent. I would have him at Rovers in a heartbeat, where I reckon he would be the difference between what we are now and being more of contenders in the play offs.

Ive seen small glimpses but nothing more. Huge disappointment for me for the 2 years he has been here.

fair enough big D.....ive been more disapointed with others tho..

Agree, but my expectations of Berro were higher than the others too based on reputation.

How long passes before temporary changes to permanent? Is 2 years temporary?

agree with that also, but what i saw of thorman before he arrived i thought he would be a good siging, since then my view has been to get rid ASAP of him..

Or................

Wayne Bennett compared to Agar

ask matt king....

Thorman has been a huge disappointment too i agree. As have several other members of the squad.

indeed, now he's doing it at the dragons, looks like another premiership in the bag for bennett

Im not having a pop because I think he was a superstar over in the NRL but I agree with pretty much everything you have said.

Matt King looked like a star over there but hasn't produced the same quality even with better players around him than Berrigan has had at FC.

Berro has shown the same levels of consistency as King imo.

your thoughts on others??

fair comment,but you cant deny there qualitys......