Or starting from scratch with another new coach and the same problems

No Bagpus would be a like for like.

We can't you already have them at rovers (grudgell and Sandercock)

It seems to me we've had the same problems for years, despite changing the coach and the players. I really don't know what the answer is.

Woke up this morning after a restless night's sleep due to a nightmare which kept recurring every time I closed my eyes. I thought it was my mind playing tricks on me, but it turns out last night really did happen and it is not merely a figment of the dark side of my imagination.

I always believed it would take a minimum of three years for the Pearson/McCrae/Gentle axis to make significant progress after the mess they inherited. If we are making progress towards our ultimate goal, it's pretty damn difficult to see it this morning.

I backed Gentle to be the man who hopefully would turn us around (probably more in hope than belief) but he looks like a busted flush this morning. The question that we are all asking is where to go from here. If not Gentle, then who? We could simply end up throwing out the baby with the bathwater (McNamara?).

Like everyone else on here, I have no idea of where we go from this depressing point. A series of mistakes over the last seven years (Coaching appointments, player recruitment, youth system) means we have painted ourselves into an unbelieveably tight corner with no obvious way out. Something has to give or we could be doomed to mid table mediocrity for an eternity.

There is no obvious (Black and) White Knight in shining armour waiting in the wings to rescue us from this predictament, but Adam needs to act (and act swiftly) one way or the other because we once again are looking like a rudderless ship with no clear idea or intention of where we are heading.

Regardless of whether Gentle should stay or go, the blame for last nights disgrace lays firmly at the feet of the players. Grown men shouldn't need a coach to tell them they need to go out and play with effort and commitment in every game. My 13 year old son would have shown more heart that some of that lot last night.
If it is true that Gentle has lost the dressing room the players who are leading this latest "revolution" should be told they are free to find themselves a club with a coach that they DO want to play for.

It is widely acknowledged that "player power" lost John Kear his job, and for a professional sports club to allow this to happen twice in 7 years would make us more of a laughing stock that we are already.

Now this I totally agree with

The humour on here after last night suggests one of two things;

1. The people of Hull have an amazing sense of humour, taking the lessons learned through the generations of hardship, hard living and adversity that have been the economic and social foundations of our city and doing our best to put a positive spin on situations.

2. Youre used to it.

On a more positive note you do now hold the top 2 spots in one 'record'.

Its easy for me to sit up here and look down, but like your cross town cousins should you not be considering the possibility of relegation returning and being a threat if you cant get out of free fall?

Me too

We lost a play-off match (get that - play off) albeit by a record score. We played in the Challenge Cup final. We finished 6th in the regular season. Where does free fall fit into this?

But wrong !

Hetherington was always gunning for him.

The players who were "supposed" to be against him have all come out saying what a great coach he was. Cooke even followed him to Wakey.

You say that but I have a few small points;

When Sandercock's back was against the wall, his players supported him. They played out of their skin and matched some big teams on a much smaller budget than us.

He plays an expansive style of rugby and it's actually quite entertaining. We are boring.

The margin between good and bad is much smaller at Rovers (one defeat aside) we are so inconsistent we make rice pudding look smooth..

Is Sandercock the man for Hull FC?? No, probably not!!

Would I rather have him in charge than Gentle?? Every single day of the week without a doubt!!

100% agree with Anjay AN BP1s posts above

Actually it's not wrong they did turn against him.

Remember the first two games of the 2006 season.

First game we won by a decent score, 2nd game 24 points up at halftime only to come out in the second half to be beaten and look like a different team. Not going to say what I've been told on here but something happened at halftime between the dressing room and the tunnel area and the rest is history shall we say, It was interesting how we suddenly went on an unbeaten run once Kear left and we made the GF

Seriously? They chose a play off game to do it?

And yet not happy to let the CEO decide whether to sack the coach or not?

Wow!! Can't believe people using the "we got to the cup final" bull $hit, if that is acceptable to those still bringing it up then you should be embarrassed . Worst showing ever, league record worse than last..is that progress ?

Sheldon, Why not choose a play off game?

I think the Wembley loss really took a lot of the belief out of the players and they knew (as did we) that they couldn't get to Old Trafford and win, so what better way to show their disregard for Gentle than by playing like a bunch of no hopers in a knock out game on TV. Wouldn't have had the same impact if it had been a game worth 2 league points
over the course of a season.

Just my imagination maybe, but I can't think of any other excuses for last night's humiliation.

One other thing, If I hear the phrase "the lads have trained magnificently all week, I couldn't have asked for anymore from them" I will scream.
I know it's a standard modern day media soundbite but it's just rubbing salt into gaping wounds.

Personal pride?

Tbh if it's true i'd sack the players involved. I think we can tell who was and wasn't trying.

Well if the management have anything about them, they will examine the video of last night's debacle more closely than ever. They should be able to pick out those who's minds were elsewhere and thus help them to go there.

No it means your improving,so perhaps you can explain why there are so many upset hull fans calling for the coachs head ??

Hmm and Rovers fans have never called for there Coach to be sacked have you.

By the way remind me again what score Wigan beat you by earlier in the season..

IF Gentle goes and Radford gets the job (or even more involved) then this is one FC fan that will turn his back on the club.

Why?