I'd love you to show me where I've belittled the poster, I had a debate with Hull2456 (or whatever his number is), he doesn't seem bothered, no name calling, just asked him to name any slower wingers in SL, which as yet no one is done.

Just because his form improved from his form which was awful doesn't mean he is good enough to help us kick on.

Would Mcintosh get in any side that finished above us?

Im not sure what you want, do you want me to mention everything positive he did last season, I'd say the positives where probably still less than the negatives over the season.

I want us to improve and think it's worth the risk of trying Tindall, Martin or Mitch over Mcintosh as feel all of these have more potential than Mcintosh.

Also I've never said I'm right and have been wrong many many times, what I do try and do us back up my points with either facts examples or ask people a question to back up their argument (such as name worst or slower wingers than Mcintosh)

I think there are a few players who if fit will be in 17 for the Rovers game, I don't think that will or should apply to Mcintosh, these are the players who I expect to be in the 17, the rest is up fir grabs

Walker
?
Sutcliffe
Calos/Scott
?
Hoy
Brown
Ese'ese
Houghton
Sao
Okunbor
Ashworth
?

Pele
?
Scott/Carlos
?

If we're honest, if we want to climb up the table then Mcintosh should be one of the players to make way.

I like him, he's a tryer but I don't think he excells at anything.

If fit, I think we'll line up:

Walker
Tindall
Sutcliffe
Carlos
Mcintosh

Hoy
Brown

Ese'ese
Houghton
Sao
Okunbur
Scott
Cator

Pele
Ashworth
Lane
Smith

When Truman is back, Brown goes to 9 with Houghton/Balmforth and Smith fighting it out for a bench spot.

Maybe it's just me, the backline looks pretty blunt in terms of linbreaks. The front row is improved but the back row needs some work, Okunbur needs to hit the ground running.

Wings and second row will be our downfall this season unfortunately

You could say that about few of our players and that's probably why we are in a mess last few years

Would Houghton get the 9 shirt at any clubs above us ?

Would Trueman get a 6 shirt at any clubs above us ?

Would walker get a 1 shirt at any clubs above us ?

I think wings will be ok, if we take a gamble and not play safe, Warrington went down this route a couple if years ago, put faith in Ashton and Thewlis, whilst not perfect it has worked out and both made the England squad this year I think.

Agree on bsckrow, along with LF a real area of concern.

Taking a gamble with the halfbacks.

We need a bit of luck and hope our new signings, particularly the fringe players turn out better than expected and a couple of young players (like Martin, Staverley, Severs and Balmforth) can make the step up.

Houghton probably not.

Trueman and Walker definitely, both proved there worth last season, Walker was probably Rovers best players after the cup final and just look at our win ratio when Trueman played.

Big question and wish imo is can Trueman, hoy and walker stay fit ?

That 17 won't improve our 10th place finish IMO, have to take some risks.

Walker
Mitch
Carlos
Sutcliffe
Tindall
Hoy
Brown
Sao
Houghton
Ese Ese
Ashworth
Okunbor
Fash

Pele
Brown
Scott
Balmforth

Mcintosh, Cator, Lane should not be in our strongest 17.

Be great if Balmforth goes well, so when Trueman is back we could use Brown at 9 or 13 depending how Houghton starts the season.

Hopefully Staverley and the French lad will challenge Fash and Jack Brown.

Definitely a concern, we do have a bit more depth this year with Litten, Harman, Medforth, Smith and Brown.

Trueman probably would as i rate him as was just a question

But walker struggling to see who he's better than?

Field, welsby, mourgue, dufty all definitely no

I rate brierley and obrien

Hiku is apparently playing full back for them which i dont understand as ive only ever seen him play centre but is still a new zealand international

Morgue still alot to prove, Walker is better than Obrien, also different type of player to the likes of Brierley.

Hiku is a poor signing IMO, looked like his legs have gone, he may have been a NZ international but was awful last year, huge gamble to play him FB, think Evalds will end up there and Hiku at centre.

If he can stay fit, Walker is an excellent signing, is strong, quick and very strong defensively. Just can he stay fit.

Mourgue is a gunna be class was one of catalan biggest attacking threats

Obviously only reason he wasn't full back is cause of Tomkins been there

Really ? Obrien is massively under rated and has played well where ever he's been

Walker got released from a poor leeds team couldn't even get infront of Richie myler who has now been replaced by a nrl full back himself

I always had the impression Walker was released from Leeds because he couldn't get on the pitch for any length of time and they couldn't justify the squad place any longer rather than any reflection on his ability. He's always been quite highly rated.

Is it just me that doesn't rate Mitch? We had a great player in naulago and I feel like people are hoping it will be replicated in Mitch, but I've not seen it yet...maybe ok as a fringe player, but not a starting winger/centre for a top 6 team

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It's a fair point, he certainly isn't in Ratus league, not many are, he has more potential than Mcintosh IMO quicker, stronger and a better defender. No world beater, but you dint Nedd that as a winger if you have better players in more key positions.

Tyler Dupree was released from Leeds, alot of other examples too, the main reason Walker was released was injuries, hard to belive he is only 24. Hopefully has a change of luck.

Last season he played a starring role for a team in the play offs, their fans were desperate for him to stay too.

Mitch is 29. Personally I wouldn't have given him another contract.

I'm not sure how much improvement he's got in him at his age and coming off his injury

What's this? Good news for me if true.

I agree
Worse still is when you look at our wings and centres there is not a strike player in the squad.
Walker will be the only highlight in our backs

Smith told Hull Live last week that there is still scope for another signing and mentioned the centre and second row specifically.

Sutcliffe can make a break but lacks real pace but that's where supporting wings, fullback and 2nd rowers come in (Okunbor and Scott both with pace).
I'm going to reserve judgement until I've seen McIntosh and Tindall in action first.
McIntosh finished the season strong and so I hope he builds on that.
Tindall has real pace but lacks SL experience so I'll remain optimistic.
We have Mitch, Barron and Martin as back up and I rate Mitch.
My only concern is Carlos in the centres and Lane in the 2nd row.
Our team doesn't look too shabby overall it's the mindset I hope that changes over this preseason.
Too many times we've seen players give up during the season as also alluded to in Ellis's book.

Online season tickets suspended I just looked to renew mine so must be true