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| we'l see on sunday how close we are to huddersfield!!
I personally think weve gone backwards in the last 3 years in terms of performances but a fully fit Hull squad should be challenging these top teams...its a decent set of players on paper..i no its been said time and time again but nothing will change unless the coaching is sorted out.
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"I agree Sheldon, the problem is our coach is not as good as Hudds.'"
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| Quote ="PAUL M"We may not be top four material as we were 2/3 years ago but we are certainly not bottom four either, what was that about sauce!'"
brown sauce i think
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| Quote ="ICECREAMMAN"icon_rolleyes.gif'"
Well, he is'nt.
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| the squad we have is very talented and with a top coach that would get the best out of the team we would be a top 4/5 team with out doubt challenging for honours but simply we aint seeing the best from a number of players. when you look at huddersfield before brown took over the likes of robinson,brown,hodgson,griffin,mason ect these were just average english players and seen as not as good as the likes of horne,yeamen,dowes,radders ect but now those huddersfield players i named are good super league players that have progressed with some playing for england whereas you look at our players and they have all gone stale or backwards since agar has been in charge. the same can be said for wigan before maguire took over they were no better then us he takes over signs 1 player in deacon and finishes top of the league, same at wire they had a young coach in charge that wasnt good enough replace him with a good coach and now look at them they are above us in terms of sucess ect. back on to the squad when you look at the key posistions in fullback,stand off,scrum half,loose forward and hooker we need more quality but going forward we need young injury free players, obviously we have houghton at hooker westy at 13 but halfbacks and fullback needs to be sorted. team for sunday
1.whiting
2.sharp
3.turner
4.yeamen
5.briscoe
6.obst
7.long
8.omeley
9.houghton
10.radders
11.tickle
12.manu
13.fitzgibbon
subs
14.moa
15.lauaki
16.washy
17.westerman
thats how i see us lineing up but personally id like to see westy at 13 with fitzy on the bench
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| 1.Whiting
2.Sharp
3.Turner
4.Yeamen
5.Briscoe
6.Obst
7.Long
8.O'Meley
9.Houghton
10.Radders
11.Tickle
12.Manu
13.Fitzgibbon
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14.Moa
15.Lauaki
16.Washy
17.Westerman
Bring on Westerman for Fitz, Moa and Lauaki for the two props and Washy for Houghton for 20 mins and then Fitz back on for either Manu or Tickle and vice versa for the props.
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| Whiting
Sharp
Turner
Yeaman
T. Briscoe
Westerman
Obst
O'Meley
Houghton
Radford
Tickle
Fitzgibbon
Cunningham
Washbrook
Manu
Lauaki
Moa
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| Quote ="The Hollywood Frasier"The claim we are on par with Wire is madness.'"
I was speaking in terms of club size rather then performance. You think Warrington is a BIGGER club then Hull FC? Really?
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"I was speaking in terms of club size rather then performance. You think Warrington is a BIGGER club then Hull FC? Really?'"
The whole 'big club' debate is bollox though.
It's a lot more common in football and just a tool used by clubs in decline to try and compensate for loss of status. Liverpool fans are particularly famous for it, but do you think the likes of Chelsea and Man City give a flying one about history etc when their chances of having success over the next 10 years are vastly greater than Liverpool's?
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"I was speaking in terms of club size rather then performance. You think Warrington is a BIGGER club then Hull FC? Really?'"
Yes, I think 100% that Wire are a bigger club, ambition wise and signing wise.
Question, have we beaten Wire to a player in recent years - No
(can I just add they own their stadium as well)
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"I was speaking in terms of club size rather then performance. You think Warrington is a BIGGER club then Hull FC? Really?'"
Wasn't we talking about the squads as opposed to this club is bigger than this club rubbish.
You said Hull have a top 4 squad, i can see why people think we're on a par with Hudds but for me its just our 17 thats on a par with them. But to say we are on a par squad wise with any of the top 4 teams is crazy imo.
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| I think it is a bit embarrassing to call ourselves a BIG club, I mean come on let's be honest we have not even won a play-off game for 3 years!
A financially sound club yes , a successful club no
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"I think it is a bit embarrassing to call ourselves a BIG club, I mean come on let's be honest we have not even won a play-off game for 3 years!
A financially sound club yes , a successful club no'"
Were like Newcastle great fans just don't appreciate us and don't know how to run the club
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| Quote ="hullandbroncos"Were like Newcastle great fans just don't appreciate us and don't know how to run the club'"
Disagree they do know how to run the club that is why financially we are in a good scene....however they do not appear to know how to be successful on the pitch, hence not winning a play-off in the last 3 years.
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| Quote ="Superbowl Scott"Wasn't we talking about the squads as opposed to this club is bigger than this club rubbish.
You said Hull have a top 4 squad, i can see why people think we're on a par with Hudds but for me its just our 17 thats on a par with them. But to say we are on a par squad wise with any of the top 4 teams is crazy imo.'"
We were, until I said our 17 can challenge the 'bigger teams', meaning bigger clubs.
I believe our squad, when fully fit and playing at their full potential, can challenge the top 4.
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| Quote ="Standee"Yes, I think 100% that Wire are a bigger club, ambition wise and signing wise.
Question, have we beaten Wire to a player in recent years - No
(can I just add they own their stadium as well)'"
Look at both the clubs past 5-10 year history. We have won the CC cup, runners up of the CC cup, and been the only one of only 5 teams to get to the Grand Final. Not Wire. Not Hudds.
I would class us as a big club.
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"We were, until I said our 17 can challenge the 'bigger teams', meaning bigger clubs.
I believe our squad, when fully fit and playing at their full potential, can challenge the top 4.'"
You said our sqaud is a top 4 squad and yet you havent said which 3 squads are better than ours.
So whos above us squad wise ?
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| Quote ="Superbowl Scott"You said our sqaud is a top 4 squad and yet you havent said which 3 squads are better than ours.
So whos above us squad wise ?'"
Challenge Top 4.
I don't believe we have a chance against Wigan, that's for sure. Saints we have shown we can beat. We have a recent bad track record against Leeds, we just can't seem to beat them. One of our best performances last season was against Wire, with a flattering scoreline in their favour. We can beat them and Hudds if we go about it in the right way.
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"Challenge Top 4.
I don't believe we have a chance against Wigan, that's for sure. Saints we have shown we can beat. We have a recent bad track record against Leeds, we just can't seem to beat them. One of our best performances last season was against Wire, with a flattering scoreline in their favour. We can beat them and Hudds if we go about it in the right way.'"
The way we are playing we don't stand a chance against any of these teams, and yes we beat saints twice last year but we only won 2 out of 8 against the top four of wire, saints Wigan and Leeds and 3 out of 10 if you include hudds that to me isn't good enough, and this highlights agar's downfall for me personally.
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"Look at both the clubs past 5-10 year history. We have won the CC cup, runners up of the CC cup, and been the only one of only 5 teams to get to the Grand Final. Not Wire. Not Hudds.
I would class us as a big club.'"
Wire have won the challenge cup 2 years running, we won it once and lost it once, we also lost the G/final..So basically Wire have won silverware twice, and us once and you consider us a Big Club
I bet they are shiitting it in case they get us in the draw
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"Challenge Top 4.
I don't believe we have a chance against Wigan, that's for sure. Saints we have shown we can beat. We have a recent bad track record against Leeds, we just can't seem to beat them. One of our best performances last season was against Wire, with a flattering scoreline in their favour. We can beat them and Hudds if we go about it in the right way.'"
Yet on your 1st comment you said we have a top 4 squad nothing about challenging.
Also if we beat the big 4 and finish 5th we aint part of the top 4 are we ?
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| Quote ="Superbowl Scott"Yet on your 1st comment you said we have a top 4 squad nothing about challenging.
Also if we beat the big 4 and finish 5th we aint part of the top 4 are we ?'"
That was something I said to hullandbroncos in person, hence the winks etc.
I believe we can challenge the top 4, somehow that's bothering you because we don't agree on it!
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"That was something I said to hullandbroncos in person, hence the winks etc.
I believe we can challenge the top 4, somehow that's bothering you because we don't agree on it!'"
There was no wink in the post buy hey ho.
Its not bothering me at all i just wondered how you think our squad is a top 4 squad when we have the likes of Wigan, Saints, Leeds and Warrington.
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"That was something I said to hullandbroncos in person, hence the winks etc.
I believe we can challenge the top 4, somehow that's bothering you because we don't agree on it!'"
You're right Tommy, we should be able to challenge for the top four, we did last year. If we want to break into the top four of Wigan, Saints, Leeds and Wire then we will probably need a new coach imo.
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