that we've got the board we currently have?

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yes and no

Wonder if Saints will take legal action on the paper after those rash claims of the club loosing money.

Tis a rocky road they walk, papers should be careful!

im more thankful to the thousands of fc fans that buy season passes and merchadise year on year even when the board f@ck up like they do..... playing ineligable players, salary cap anomilies, having players on the books with un signed contracts, alienation of its supporters but apart from that they are fine

Yet the infrastructure, business model, youth development and community programme ensured we were one of only 3 clubs to get an A grade license.

With all due respect, the only transgression you cite that is Rule's responsibility is the Thackray registration one, and he admitted responsibility for that. The hard measure for how "alienated" the supporters are is attendances and merchandise sales, and on the basis of the evidence of record numbers of season passes and merchandise turnover, I'd say supporters are actually fairly engaged in what the club is trying to achieve. To be fair to Rule, after the succession of feck-ups you cite and the requests from supporters for more dialogue, we've had lots of communication initiatives by the club. Airlie Night every week with regular appearances by Rule and senior players, Tell Us, Call a Director, 4 fans forums a year (that Rule and Agar attend), FC Voices etc. Some of these may seem contrived, but they compare pretty favourably with what is offered by other clubs - some have only one forum a year and no board level representation at it for example.

I'm not saying the current regime is perfect by any means, but in the context of the financial performance and communication channels of the rest of the competition we've got very little to complain about (world class coaching debate aside

)

I wouldn't rush into believing anything the Daily Post prints, awful paper. Especially when it comes to quoting figures

they still could nt do it without hull fcs adoring public, the most loyal fans in the land

"The club’s wage bill increased by £290,000 to £3.44m – more than 70% of its turnover – although the salary cap limits the players’ wage bill to £1.65m."

Almost 2m million in wages other than players? That seems quite a bit.

No doubt Jimmy has done a good job, good Hymers boy that he is!

Maybe some of the players' wives are employed in well-paid administrative roles.



The thing about Saints is that they own Knowsley Road which is valued at £8.1m, so have positive net assets to the tune of £1.5m despite accumulated losses.

You would not be refering to the very ill informed Charlie Mullen

would you





As Mrs B says the Board ain't perfect far from it, but I rest easy in my bed at night knowing that I will have a team to support next season as I always say it only takes one of these sugar Daddies at clubs like Rovers, Saints, Warrington or Huddersfield to go bust or fall out with the club and someone will fold simple as. The debts we have are reducing every year and are as such spread around all the Directors!

and leaves us all in a much happier playground than almost all of the other teams in SL!!

Imo yes, we should be thankful.
Firstly to the fans who year on year. Continually renew passes, buying merchandise etc, even when on field results over last few seasons have been disappointing to say the least.
And secondly to the board. Yes we may not agree with a lot of their ways, but they have given the fans numerous ways i.e forums to put across their views and to an extent given a good account of themselves when answering.
The club is in a very stable condition, which most clubs probably can't say they are.
Last seasons clearout was the first major step in moving forward and now addressing value for player contracts. Now that more contracts are coming to an end the club is putting it into force, and if certain individuals value themselves more than the club then they can move on.
Agar is a big part of it aswell. Don't get me wrong, I haven't been one of biggest fans but improved league position, playing staff and if rumours true more to come, then I think we should be thankful,

for now anyway.. just my opinion tho.

can you name a single decision reversed because of the opinion of the fans? (out of interest)

can you name a single decision reversed because of the opinion of the fans? (out of interest)

Sunday games?

mate, I am over that, much more important things have happened in my life since that all came up, it was a genuine question, I know FCVoices have had some limited wins, but t suggest the forums are anything other than a back slapping opportunity seems incorrect to me.

And other clubs regularly reverse their boards' decisions on the basis of fan opinion? As said, although it's a bit contrived, I think the moves by the club to engage the fans, even if it appears tokenist at times, is better than a) what we had previously and b) what other clubs seem to offer. In no way perfect, but a step forward.

It wasn't a dig at you mate.

To be honest i don't see why the club should make decisions based on what the fans think, how many fans have ran a sporting club of it's size?
The saying goes - Listen to the fans and you'll soon be sat with them.
Fans forums aren't particularly my thing but they are a tool used to bring the club closer to the fans. As is airlie night and FC Voices etc.
Rugby is and always will be (in Hull anyway) a community/family sport, it's what sets us apart. The days of sitting in a social club with the players on a night after a game are over, this is how it's been replaced.

It's way better than being run by well meaning hobbyists like Tindall and Wauldby, that is certain.

Easy now....
It's not about changing things that we all wanted, and as I said they gave a good account of themselves for their reasons they continue doing things they believe will put us in a stronger position, and still financially stable in the future..
They DO give us chances to air our grievances and yes probably fall on deaf ears, but IMO they answer a lot with plans for future..
I never said we changed anything but they are making sure our club has a future and not a ? Over it...

depends, do you think they give a to55 about us, or keeping their investment viable?

anyway, it's a moot point, I've met the main players, and they are, without exception, objectionable people.

We are all of our own opinion mate, that's why we're on here, to discuss our views..
I'm not denying you have met these players and you obviously know more than I, but given the fact these forums are for an individual opinion, I have given mine on the subject and you have given yours.
Draw a line under it yes?

draw a line under what? I dont agree, that is my opinion.

At a Meeting a few weeks ago J Rule was asked about Friday/Sunday games ..He stated you cannot please every fan and since changing to a Friday night Hull Season Passes have hit the 9.000 mark a rise more then Leeds/Wigan ..He did say "IF" the market or finding changed Hull might have to think again and look at changing the day they play matches ..But I don't think that will happen just yet ..But that is me reading between the lines

There are some who thought these people were Gods!!!

and they think the world is flat!