Having watched the HKR games and to some extent the CAS game over the last couple of days ,I’d say in terms of players strength/quality we aren’t a country mile off the likes of HKR and not a million miles off Cas but we just can’t cut the mustard on the field . Do we and the coach bemoan our players quality to cover our own shortfalls in getting these players up to a standard that HKR and others seem to be able to do .I seriously think looking at particularly the game last night we have as fan been sold short on the field in terms of don’t expect too much as they aren’t very good in the first place or words to that effect . What I’d like to see is a coach who isn’t scared of dropping even our big names if not performing and putting youth in when required and maybe just maybe we will see a team that can play to a standard that has the regular and stay away fans something that will unite the club going forwards . I always said and stand by it that these players we have have so much more to come but it takes a special person to get them there ,here’s hoping we find the right person this time .

When you see how we played a couple of season ago, and even last season for a spell you know the quality is there, it just seems sometimes that the will to do better isn't there!
CC has paid the price for not getting it out of the players, but I've said elsewhere that some of the players need to take a look at themselves and start playing for the club and the fans. They may even enjoy it!

We're not going to challenge for the grand final, but the team is better than what's been dished up this year. We've been very close in a number of games but our complete lack of cutting edge has let us down. Chester covered up his own failings by bemoaning the lack quality in his ranks (poor workman and all that). I don't think any other coach would say something so demoralising about the team they have built. Yes they may say the team played poorly and were not at the races, but to outright imply the players are not good enough is a cop out. Make them better, that is the coaches role.

Anyway onto the future.

Pretty must agree with the first two posts. We do have some decent players but they do not perform at the levels required both frequently enough and long enough in matches. That is down to the coach. Full stop.

The key to coaching any team is realising what you have got, play to the strengths of your team and getting the best out of them. Then when say bill or fafita get injured not expecting players who come in to be like for like. We’ve got pace in the backs but it’s very rare we create the space for, bill, tj, rocky, max and when did Lynn last run into a hole, use players effectively. Lastly we might not be the most talented team but we can be the fittest and work the hardest of any other teams.

Working hard used to be the Trinity trade mark, even when we had teams of almost zero talent.

Somewhere over the last two seasons our players and not just our coach forgot that and we started to believe our own hype.

Newsflash lads, even Saints would be near useless if they didn’t train and get fit with utter dedication. Being good isn’t something you can turn on and off with a switch, it takes constant effort to maintain.

Best example is Fifita and his pies make tries statement. It was funny when he made it because we knew it was a joke and he was clearly working hard and was fit in his own way. Then at some point I reckon he sort of believed it and although injury played a part I still reckon he got lazy and now I’m not sure he’ll ever get it back. I know he allegedly has a rib issue, if it’s so bad why play him in no win games, he should have been rested til fit. I wouldn’t mind but the difference he’s made when playing has been minimal most of the time.

The new coach must no longer allow that to happen. Before any player no matter how gifted and important must be reasonably fit before being considered for selection.

Think with Cas and H K R it's more down to coaching players to play fast rugby . Coaches who know the meaning of a strong spine Who ad to the squad were they see a weakness or bring in a player that strengthen the team .(Think in the next few years if Smith is still at H K R they will be challenging for honers )This is something we have not been able to do ,down to a coach been to blinked to get the basic right

Standard need to be set before the club can achieve them
Its been one big relaxed atmosphere within the club with very little expected from the players or the coach. The club show ver little ambition and that rubs off on all staff and players.
I never asked for Chesters head but you have to say a coach with that kind of record can feel more than fortunate to retain his position and even be considered for an extention
Would that situation have been allowed to develop over the last 2 or 3 seasons at any other club.
I have got shot down a number of times for suggesting the club badly run, lacks direction and 68 lacks any kind of expectation.
Unless the clubs willing to show a total change of direction, LIVE WITH IT.
WE OR SHOULD I SAY THE CLUBS HAD A FEW SEASONS NOW TO IMPLEMENT IMPROVEMENTS LITTLE BY LITTLE.

Standard need to be set before the club can achieve them
Its been one big relaxed atmosphere within the club with very little expected from the players or the coach. The club show ver little ambition and that rubs off on all staff and players.
I never asked for Chesters head but you have to say a coach with that kind of record can feel more than fortunate to retain his position and even be considered for an extention
Would that situation have been allowed to develop over the last 2 or 3 seasons at any other club.
I have got shot down a number of times for suggesting the club badly run, lacks direction and 68 lacks any kind of expectation.
Unless the clubs willing to show a total change of direction, LIVE WITH IT.
WE OR SHOULD I SAY THE CLUBS HAD A FEW SEASONS NOW TO IMPLEMENT IMPROVEMENTS LITTLE BY LITTLE.

The sad part of all that is despite Fifita not being the player he was if you look at the stats he has still been our most effective forward by some distance. Most metres, most tackle busts, most offloads and only 11 tackles behind our leading tackler which is Westerman. It's a pretty damming indictment of the rest of our pack to be honest.

The last line of your post should be a given.
WE know that most other clubs are out spending us so, we have to work harder to compete.

Let's hope that Willie can motivate the lads and make them want to perform.

Having said that, the lead on the pitch will come from Fifita. We need him to lead the line and carry the others along with him.
If Fifita gets dominated, we tend not to have any decent go forward.

Well tomorrow should give a good indication where the problems were, No Chester for the players to hide behind now and if their attitude and they're performances rise then the fans can see for themselves who was to blame.

They are bound to rise tomorrow a little bit but I can't see it just turning round with the same team in a week.

Think your kidding yourself ketty lad I watched both games and could see no comparison between our teams performances this season and those by cas on Thursday and hull kr Friday don't kid yourself lad

I got the impression from the interview with WP that the team’s performances were being impacted by Chester’s own insecurities. They had reached the stage where they actually feared making mistakes but unfortunately it backfired spectacularly and we just went back into our shells and didn’t know how to get out of it. What WP suggested was that they are to forget the fear, enjoy their rugby and unlike Chester he would answer for any failures and would not look to pass the blame onto them.

Can’t see a win but Warrington are lacking some forward power, especially in the back-row and off the bench. Plus Daz Clarke is missing as well. If the lads want to put it in then they can certainly give Wire something to think about.

Under CC standards have slipped. CC’s early success was founded in no small part on the input of Brian Smith and JK. Once the influence of the strict disciplinarian and the man manager had evaporated, however, it did not take long for CC’s coaching shortcomings to be exposed and the excuses to follow. When CC had a good proportion of the first team out and the performance was bad - ‘I have all these players missing’. When CC had a few squad members out and the performance was bad - ‘I have so and so key players missing’. When CC had virtually a full squad to pick from and the performance was bad - ‘The players are just not good enough’. Injuries and the pandemic have obviously played their part in the drop in standards over the last few years but at the end of the day if the players are not offering themselves as dummy runners, not running onto the ball, standing flat as a fart, not executing set plays on a regular basis etc.. then CC, as the coach, had the means at his disposal to address these issues in training and by way of team selection and, further, he was given the additional support of Last and Poching to help him rectify the situation. However, CC couldn’t find the answers and instead of accepting any responsibility whatsoever for the poor performances, he ultimately chose to pin all of the blame on the very players he brought into the club. Thanks for your efforts CC and good luck with your future endeavours.

When it comes to looking at deteriorating standards, I don’t think you can simply confine an analysis to the team performance; you have to look at what has been going on at the club as a whole and that necessarily brings into sharp focus the decision both to allow CC to stay on as coach for far longer than he should have and to award CC with a contract extension. The reality is that but for a number of fans threatening to walk away after the Shudds game, and thereby hitting the coffers of the club, CC would still be here. As an outsider looking in, MC got too close to ‘Chez’ and he allowed his personal relationship with him to cloud his judgment. MC is running a business and you don’t mix business and pleasure. MC eventually made the right call with the other board members to part company with CC but, as I say, it should have happened much sooner. Let’s hope that MC does not make the same mistake when it comes to working with the new coach. Before we see whether or not that happens, MC et al have to appoint the right coach; the single most important decision the club has had to make since MC took over and one which the club simply cannot afford to get wrong. Personally, I would like to see a decent Aussie assistant get the role if there are any suitable candidates in the frame because we need a radical shake up and the introduction of a brand of NRL style rugby which provides structure and entertainment. Get the product on the field right and the wins will follow and the club will be able to bring in new fans. I suspect, however, that we may struggle to attract the right person from Oz and that budget constraints would rule out an overseas appointment so that we will have to look at recruiting the best of British. Wane is probably sorted for next season and wouldn’t touch us with a barge pool even if he wasn’t. Brian McD strikes me as a coach who needs to have a decent level of resources to get results as he did nothing for Toronto. For me, there are only two people who fit the bill: Danny Ward or JK. Either would bring a structured style of play, which we have been so desperately lacking, and bring good man management skills and, crucially, both have a track record of getting so called lesser players working as a competitive unit and of operating within a limited budget.

If we are looking root and branch at standards then the state of the game as a whole would be next on the agenda. But where to start. The game is dying a slow death and has been for years. The RFL hierarchy are not fit for purpose and need a massive overhaul. The disciplinary are a joke. The game is not bringing enough talent through. The quality of the rugby being played in the ESL is poor, dull to watch and light years behind the NRL… etc..

Excellent post

Fully agree. One of the best posts i’ve read on here in a long time.

Great post just about sums it all up.

This is a good summary of what many posters have said on here,
I sincerely hope for the good of the club that the new coach brings all the attributes needed to raise the playing level - and for some it will have to be sooner rather than later- but my experience of watching Trinity very few new coaches have brought the success we all crave for, although JK is the nearest to it. I'd have him back tomorrow but I doubt he'd come back., Danny Ward I really don't know.
Perhaps we should all bear in mind the last coach to bring us what we wanted pretty quickly was CC - we need to realise that if CC got it wrong the new coach will more than likely not bring the same instant results and will require time to get it right - but I don't mean 5 years!

I wasn’t comparing the quality of the rugby that has been played by these clubs try scorer ,as it is certainly better than we have dished up , but the quality of the players on show .IMO we are not too dissimilar to both HKR and not a million miles off Cas ,but both their coaches get far more out of their squads than we have been able to do .Which goes to show in my humble Opinion that there is definitely room for improvements in our current squad ,and it won’t be all doom and gloom on the playing front if this new level can be tapped into by the new or interim coach

C C dropped lucky,it was B Smith who did the hard work .Even brought in is own conditioner because he had to get the squad fit

I was quite a fan of Smith but let's not overdo it.
We were 5th in the league 2 years after he left. You can't put that down to Smith.

Still need a task master to get the best out of our or any team for that matter not a drinking buddy. The term give an inch and take a mile has been used to full affect for far too long and now we have a chance for real change at the club.