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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Are you for real ? So the RFL secure playing at Odsal. Do you really think that the Bulls will evev be relegated with this kind of deal in place. Bearing in mind this could cause them to default on rental payments .
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Grow up.
The RFL could chuck Bulls out of SL, and bring in another franchisee to Odsal. Maybe even you lot, if your stadium plans get shafted again.
Different tenant, same rent (if not more). What IS your problem?
Don't forget, the RFL could very easily have chucked you guys out of SL and brought Halifax in in your place. Indeed, Halifax fans detest the RFL with a passion for showing you such blatant favouritism and ensuring that you would not be relegated.
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| Its a poor explanation from the RFL, it leaves many questions.
And with the that it leaves it open to fans to get carried away and jump in with both feet, better to wait untill the questions are answered imo.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Grow up.
The RFL could chuck Bulls out of SL, and bring in another franchisee to Odsal. Maybe even you lot, if your stadium plans get shafted again.
Different tenant, same rent (if not more). What IS your problem?
Don't forget, the RFL could very easily have chucked you guys out of SL and brought Halifax in in your place. Indeed, Halifax fans detest the RFL with a passion for showing you such blatant favouritism and ensuring that you would not be relegated.'"
Your comments are going even further off the scale mate.
Heres a simple question for you.
Are the RFL more or less likely to favour a team that they have loaned money to (or bought out a lease) ? simple answer, more or less ?
By the way, as stated earlier i've nothing whatsoever against the Bulls, just a little surprised by certain comments.
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| Quote ="pulsator2k7"Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Has anyone actually read all the information on this, all this does is secures Odsal for the Bulls to continue playing there in the forseeable future, it does NOT guarantee super league status !!!
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Lazy posting Pulsator. You've copied this to the other forums talking about it. You are not answering the points made, just blanket patronising defense. Booo!
Anyway, it is quite indicative of why this is an issue that the clubs who are secure and have a nice stadium are not really talking about this. The ones who need the money, or needed it the past are rattling through pages of comments.
You have been favoured. Good for you. Not good for anyone else.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Grow up.
The RFL could chuck Bulls out of SL, and bring in another franchisee to Odsal. Maybe even you lot, if your stadium plans get shafted again.
Different tenant, same rent (if not more). What IS your problem?
Don't forget, the RFL could very easily have chucked you guys out of SL and brought Halifax in in your place. Indeed, Halifax fans detest the RFL with a passion for showing you such blatant favouritism and ensuring that you would not be relegated.'"
Wrong in every way!
What possible benefit would there be for the RFL to chuck the Bulls out now!
If the Bradford Bulls can't create a profitable business plan that sustains a SL franchise what chance would a cookoo club have, that's just pure fantasy, get real!
Only if you believe the media spin that preceded and followed the franchise announcement, the reality was very different!
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Grow up.
The RFL could chuck Bulls out of SL, and bring in another franchisee to Odsal. Maybe even you lot, if your stadium plans get shafted again.
Different tenant, same rent (if not more). What IS your problem?
Don't forget, the RFL could very easily have chucked you guys out of SL and brought Halifax in in your place. Indeed, Halifax fans detest the RFL with a passion for showing you such blatant favouritism and ensuring that you would not be relegated.'"
Many, many years ago Bradford Northern were in extreme difficulties and Wakefield loaned them players to help them get out of the mess they were in. Bradford could have ceased to exist then but for the help and support of others.
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| Quote ="pulsator2k7"Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Has anyone actually read all the information on this, all this does is secures Odsal for the Bulls to continue playing there in the forseeable future, it does NOT guarantee super league status !!!
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Secures Odsal for the Bulls to continue with their long lease that they had and therefore could not have been kicked out anyway?????????????
At least do us the courtesy of not assuming we are all stupid and will believe the RFL who appear to contradict themselves anyway in the statements they have given.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Grow up.
The RFL could chuck Bulls out of SL, and bring in another franchisee to Odsal. Maybe even you lot, if your stadium plans get shafted again.
Different tenant, same rent (if not more). What IS your problem?
Don't forget, the RFL could very easily have chucked you guys out of SL and brought Halifax in in your place. Indeed, Halifax fans detest the RFL with a passion for showing you such blatant favouritism and ensuring that you would not be relegated.'"
If you really believe that then you're as dumb as the Halifax fans. We were favoured over Halifax despite everything because even with the RFL guiding them through the entire process and helping them on several occasions they could not put together a decent application. I am led to believe they have only themselves to blame for missing out but it's not in their interest to believe that is it???
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Grow up.
The RFL could chuck Bulls out of SL, and bring in another franchisee to Odsal. Maybe even you lot, if your stadium plans get shafted again.
Different tenant, same rent (if not more). What IS your problem?
I think Bradford fans should just be happy about the deal they have.
I don't know of any posts on here that actually attack the Bradford fans, so I really don't understand antagonism from Bulls fans.
I think most Bulls fans will understand why there is annoyance from other clubs when they have been given such a helping hand.
As for the Bulls being put out of SL get real.
Whatever you say about WTW we have had to fight tooth and nail for every year of our SL existance which is more than can be said for some clubs!
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Heres a simple question for you. Are the RFL more or less likely to favour a team that they have loaned money to (or bought out a lease) ? simple answer, more or less ?
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Provided the RFL specify that a club replacing Bradford must play at Odsal, it should make no difference.
And anyway, do you know how much the payment to Bradford is? Or how much the annual rentals will be? If the payment was £1m and the rentals were £0.5m p.a. would you still be so wound up? Can you tell us at what point - how many multiples of the annual rent - WOULD you feel the need to get wound up?
You DID know that the RFL has a charge on the Bulls' assets, didnt you? Including the (removable) Coral stand as well as everything else? And that, with little if anything owed to the bank, they would be well placed in the event of an insolvency?
Don't get me wrong; Bulls fans can get wound up over perceived injustices as much as the next fan. But wouldn't it be a bit better to see what more detail comes out before jumping to conclusions? For my own part, I am relieved for the immediate future, but concerned that we have saddled ourselves with significant extra costs for the future - to cover which we now need to secure significant additional income. And it is three years till the next Licenses come into effect. A lot can happen in that time.
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| The only "antagonism" coming from Bulls fans is in response to some of the comments being expresssed alleging unfair treatment and whatever. Most of us were as shocked as the next man with the news.
If you choose to take Booaza seriously that is your own affair; none of us do.
My comments about you vs Halifax was deliberately couched in similar tones to those being used from your side - so you could see just how unhelpful they were, and maybe therefore see the same in some from your side. Even so, seen from their side the way YOU were "favourably" treated was seen as unfair. Rightly or wrongly.
And some on here may recall I was on your side during your troubles. And contributed financially accordingly.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Provided the RFL specify that a club replacing Bradford must play at Odsal, it should make no difference.
And anyway, do you know how much the payment to Bradford is? Or how much the annual rentals will be? If the payment was £1m and the rentals were £0.5m p.a. would you still be so wound up? Can you tell us at what point - how many multiples of the annual rent - WOULD you feel the need to get wound up?
You DID know that the RFL has a charge on the Bulls' assets, didnt you? Including the (removable) Coral stand as well as everything else? And that, with little if anything owed to the bank, they would be well placed in the event of an insolvency?
Don't get me wrong; Bulls fans can get wound up over perceived injustices as much as the next fan. But wouldn't it be a bit better to see what more detail comes out before jumping to conclusions? For my own part, I am relieved for the immediate future, but concerned that we have saddled ourselves with significant extra costs for the future - to cover which we now need to secure significant additional income. And it is three years till the next Licenses come into effect. A lot can happen in that time.'"
Yes, because it is still a case of double standards from the RFL. We asked for a loan from them last year and they refused us so we ended up in administration, which very nearly cost us our SL status (depending on what you believe from the lack of info that came out from the licensing process).
Don't get me wrong , as I said before, it probably did us good in the end to go into admin and start afresh but it also meant that we lost a lot of good players and couldn't sign anyone because of the cloud that hung over us thanks to the RFL's reluctance to help one of their member clubs.
Why can you not get your head around the sense of injustice?????????
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Grow up.
The RFL could chuck Bulls out of SL, and bring in another franchisee to Odsal. Maybe even you lot, if your stadium plans get shafted again.
Different tenant, same rent (if not more). What IS your problem?'"
Adey, that’s nonsense.
Quote ="Adeybull"Don't forget, the RFL could very easily have chucked you guys out of SL and brought Halifax in in your place. Indeed, Halifax fans detest the RFL with a passion for showing you such blatant favouritism and ensuring that you would not be relegated.'"
The only reason Wakefield weren’t kicked out is because the Crusaders dropped their bombshell the day before the licences.
Yep they could have kicked them out and replaced them with Fax, but the only thing which would have scored higher would have been the Stadium, they may as well have given a licence to Doncaster, far better facilities.
Blatant favouritism! Correct analogy - wrong club.
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| Just out of interest.If "this arrangement is needed to safeguard one of the sports most famous stadia" Then why didn't the Bulls buy it?
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| Quote ="JINJER"Just out of interest.If "this arrangement is needed to safeguard one of the sports most famous stadia" Then why didn't the Bulls buy it?'"
Bulls already did. On a 150 year lease.
What Bulls are NOW doing is a sale and leaseback, to generate some cash NOW AND to Steer the Stadium into a safe haven where developers cannot take advantage of our current comparatively weak situation to coerce us to leave.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Bulls already did. On a 150 year lease.
What Bulls are NOW doing is a sale and leaseback, to generate some cash NOW AND to Steer the Stadium into a safe haven where developers cannot take advantage of our current comparatively weak situation to coerce us to leave.'"
So the Bulls are skint?
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| Of course, Everyone knows that?
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| Quote ="Sesquipedalian"The RFL think we are all thick'"
So do I.
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| As I have said elsewhere, this is BUSINESS. The RFL thought it was worthwhile to enter into this transaction, and that is why they have done so. To compare it to your situation, where you basically wanted a handout to be given to a poorly run club without a clear viable future, is absurd.
Wakefield are not the same as the Bradford and Id be disgusted if the RFL treated them as if they were.
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| Holes in grounds are always worth buying!Keep on kidding yourself sunshine,the RFL have bailed you out,get your head round it!!
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| Quote ="slideby"As I have said elsewhere, this is BUSINESS. The RFL thought it was worthwhile to enter into this transaction, and that is why they have done so. To compare it to your situation, where you basically wanted a handout to be given to a poorly run club without a clear viable future, is absurd.
Wakefield are not the same as the Bradford and Id be disgusted if the RFL treated them as if they were.'"
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| Quote ="slideby"As I have said elsewhere, this is BUSINESS. The RFL thought it was worthwhile to enter into this transaction, and that is why they have done so. To compare it to your situation, where you basically wanted a handout to be given to a poorly run club without a clear viable future, is absurd.
Wakefield are not the same as the Bradford and Id be disgusted if the RFL treated them as if they were.'"
Oh christ. You have found your way on to our forum now have you?
Arrogant idiot indeed!
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| Quote ="slideby"As I have said elsewhere, this is BUSINESS. The RFL thought it was worthwhile to enter into this transaction, and that is why they have done so. To compare it to your situation, where you basically wanted a handout to be given to a poorly run club without a clear viable future, is absurd.
Wakefield are not the same as the Bradford and Id be disgusted if the RFL treated them as if they were.'"
Obsessed!
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| Haha, I dont like the reality so therefore I decide I am correct and anybody who disagrees is the fool. The bulls did not need this to happen, unlike your club last year.
I am pleased that Wakey are in a better position and hopefully this allows you to build into a club that is important to the competition moving forward. At that point, the RFL may be more open to getting involved in helping you in the future. Obv you may need a few more fans through the gates, but a competitive team should help with that.
What part of the my post is arrogant by the way?? The last time I checked, rugby is a business, and it is clear that bradford are more important to the rugby business than wakey/cas etc. It is also clear they have a better history and fan base on which to build moving forward therefore making them a better candidate to invest alongside?
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