I did not have the figures to hand, I was using bell vue as an example of how a piece of land minute in comparison sold for not much less than they want for this site, the reason being that planning is highly unlikely, also strengthens the argument that Newmarket is not that much of a risk to YK as they will have paid a relatively small amount for it, due to is unlikelihood of getting planning. The eco scheme shows that Developers will make risks on big schemes which explodes the myth that YC would not spend loads of money on something that will not work!

Thanks. You would be right in asking the question should a large scheme ever be granted on this site, however at present this is not the case.

Omg I could not agree more with this, the only problem for WTWC is planning is more likely to come later than sooner.

What the hell has that to do with drainage ?????

I wont open this post in the arrogant and ignorant way that you opened yours, which was a shock as your post are usually well presented.

Fact , water runs down hill,
Fact Methley is downhill of the proposed aite.
Fact the drains in Methley are at bursting point due to all the new housing built there

Now unless you can change the laws of physics and get the water to run uphill into stanley, there is going to be a problem for the residents of Methley. I lived there long enough to know what the drainage system is like.

I am not one of the nimbys and hope Wakey get their stadium almost as much as i hope Cas get ours , but the facts cannot be ignored by people like yourself, whatever agenda you have

Not more likely, but will !

If it dosn't come now it will be after 2012 because that is when the land will be taken from Greenbelt.

That could be too late for us.

Once that happens the developer may not be under an obligation to build a stadium and also provide another 40 odd acres for recreation and liesure, he will get the green light to do just about whatever he wants and those Nimbys may then regret trying to stop the initial scheme.

I know its of no use to us but they must be totally thick if they think they can stop the development of an old colliery site on a motorway junction smack in the middle of one of the UK's largest conurbations.

So have I got this right. At present Methley has a drainage problem as a result of being overdeveloped.

Due to that error Stanley must not be developed

Now here is the tricky bit, if stanley is developed and I presume it is up hill from Methley, will more rain fall on Stanley than at Present and therefore cause this flooding

Water runs downhill - yes.
What happens to the water from the land at present? Does that run downhill into the Methley drains? - probably.
Whilst this site is being developed can drains be put in to divert this drainage away from the Methley drains? - Yes.
Will this ease the drainage problem in Methley - yes.

Problem solved.

No the water runs directly into the river Calder which runs the length of the site boundary, but he hasn't worked that one out yet.

I also don't think he's worked out that Leeds is also uphill from Methley and its river the Aire also flows nearby. I wonder if all the building in Leeds may have something to do with his flooding phobia

Nice .......... but so wrong, Industry uses a hell of a lot of water and this will have to be disposed of somewhere, ie drains. As said before water and the drains run downhill, hence a problem for the drainage in the village (and hungate). Please explain how all this water is to be managed, I have looked at the council documents and have seen nothing to accommodate this.

One plan used in Bradford was to dig a big hole (not odsal) and fill that with millions of gallons as it was used , then pump out when the conditions suit, but that is more expense

as for the more rain statement, you are not doing your credibility any favours

Its like being a teacher..... incidental water (rain) is not the problem, the hundreds of industrial units that are part of the development will create a hell of a lot of waste water, this cannot be pumped into the river but has to go through the drains to a treatment plant to be made safe for discharge, (still with me ?) the drainage system in the Hungate, Methley area is at capacity, where will this foul water go ??

Simple really

Please, please stop! That hole you digging yourself into could be used as drainage attenuation balancing pond on the Newmarket site if you carry on!

Firstly, let me let you into a secret. The same amount of rain that falls currently on the site, prior to the proposed development, will be exactly the same average rain-fall that will fall on the site once it's developed! The difference of course is the increase in hard-standing, and therefore the rain water being prevented from soaking into the ground as ground water, which finds it way back into the river and also the atmosphere by evaporation. It is the collecting and channelling of surface water which has become the modern cause of increased flooding and flood risk. This of course has not been helped by changing weather patterns and more frequent freak weather incidents, such as more intense and longer duration rain storms, meaning more of the average rain over a shorter period of time. The time it takes (called time of entry) for this water to reach the rivers and streams is much quicker in a modern developed world.

So, what ALL major developments sites have now to do (and I don't know what plans you have been looking at but all the information is there!) is provide major surface water attenuation schemes and SUDS systems to limit the actual surface water run-off volume and velocity to exactly the same calculated value as if you had not built any building on the site at all! It is called the green-field surface water run-off calculation and the strict figures given by the Environment agency, are there in the application for all to see!

As for industrial processes, I don't see any application for trade effluent collection, treatment, or pumping requirement, so not sure why you bring that up... they are just distribution and offices units proposed so far?

As for foul water, these developments produce very little foul water can normally be handled quite easily by the existing foul drainage network, with the possibly addition of a site pumping station. Now, if you built houses on the site, then you are talking major foul water issues, but most people don't have a bath or wash their clothes at work, they just go to the loo and wash their hands!

I am not sure if the foul water system is running near capacity in Methley, if so it might need some work, but you can take some money off Yorkcourt to sort that under a planning section agreement if required.

Very pleased to see you back I_A with your informative and knowledgeable posts (as well as from a neutral point of view) - thought you had deserted us!!

As i said your posts used to be informative but now you have gone down the rainwater route, well it beggers beliefe.
As for foul water, these distribution sites do not clean their vehicles regularly then ?????. No amount of flim flam can disguise the fact that foul water wiull be produced and will need dealing with and at last you seem to have taken that on board with thp pumping station etc..................................... ffs its a good job i am in favour of wakey getting this other than one of the nimbys, then i could really find something to gripe about

How gracious you are. No, really we are all so grateful!



Seriously, you wonder why people are having a go at you? Think before you post, and take some
deep breaths ... you have gone from being a rational poster to a bit of a stupid bore in 24 hours.

Have some time off man!

Probably because your post No 85 refers to drainage and not sewerage. The again we should have guessed you can only talk about shight.

because you dont like a few truths, im surprised you go to the toilet because it is 2 paces further than your neighbours

so sad

yet one more shight related post

Oh dear. You are getting worse.

Like I say, have some time off posting, before you lose whats left of your credibility!

No, I wouldn't do that, I just needed to concentrate full-on on something for a few weeks but that is successfully sorted now and, while still being very busy, my time is once more under my full control.

I still have one or two 'tricks' stuffed up my sleeve but obviously things have changed direction for the time being, so if and when they are required, I will let reveal them!

Hang on a minute, firstly you brought up flooding in Methley being a potential problem, which is what the NIMBY's are saying. The fact of the matter is, is that it is not a problem. I just explained that surface water is the major contributing factor to modern flood problems, not foul water or trade effluent, and explained why it was not an issue for Newmarket and/or the ex proposed Eco village.

Of course they produce foul water output, which does indeed need discharging into the foul water sewerage network and need treating... but that has bugger all to do with any flooding and the time of entry to river via a treatment plant is relatively long and strictly controlled. They do wash vehicles but they produce relative little foul water, even developments as big
Newmarket, in comparison to any residential development. Think about the density of people in an housing estate, all showering, using the bath, using dish and washing machine, flushing the loo and think about the density of people in a large distribution warehouses, who only really go to the loo! The truck wash, which will recycle a large part of it's grey water, is not going to make any difference!

It is good job you are in favour, and a good job you are not working as a drainage engineer!

The bit where it says "to happen" means I know it "will". The more likely was in relation to it "happening" later rather than sooner. So do me a favour if your going to try and be clever look at the context of the sentence. Have you worked out the difference between the 2 trusts yet?

See post below

So the Wakefield community trust is not a impartial stand alone group set up to get better facilities for the whole of Wakefield, but a sub committee of the Wildcats community trust? Very interesting. You better mention this to Davide.

And what about the rest of my post do you accept in your eagerness to be Mr clever clogs you read my post out of context?

There is a stadium subgroup within the WDCT. As far as i'm away the Wildcats Community Trust is a different entity.

No davide is right I am wrong and things have changed the trusts were set up like I said but have since been reformed. I must keep up to date.