you are indeed right, grounds should improve, but only if economically viable, perhaps in the current economic climate it would be unwise for clubs to blow fortunes on stadia, when day to day costs are increasing and profitability squeezed, arguabley new grounds may help this over the long term, but certainly not in the short term compared to any initial capital expenditure.
Most clubs are having or are rumoured to be having tax problems, gates are dropping, player wage demands are increasing year on year.
And of course these rules (stadia being one) don't appear to effect every club!
Catalan, quins and whichever crusaders could play at the council tip and the rfl woulnt bat an eye lid.

I'm not taking issue with the rest of your post but in reference to that bit, any tax problems that clubs are having are entirely self inflicted; they were caused by an attempt at tax avoidance that went wrong.

On the stadia issue though - I'm with IA; as hardcore fans, we'd probably watch our team play at Belle Vue 'til it fell down around our ears (which in reality isn't too far off) but we'd be the last of a dying breed; what's needed is new fans to replace us crusty old farts, and a new stadium will remove the barrier that Belle Vue has become to getting them there.

I agree with the bit in bold mostly the tax thing is though self inflicted and if you have tax issues then its your own fault for basically attempting tax fraud.

The Catalan Quins and Crusaders part though is very true as long as Crusaders dont now get a licence after administration then fine but remember Crusaders play at a pretty good stadium at the minute and Catalans is being updated and Quins is good its just the part that if they played at a stadium like yours then they probably would be ok.

I never understood that as Quins is a waste of time tbh.

Don't be too smug; every SL club (and most football clubs) have used the 'image rights' method to avoid paying tax on some player payments, not just WTW and Crusaders. I don't know who your team is, but that means they're more than likely to be getting their own bill in due course and, if they don't pay it within the prescribed timescale, their very own winding up order.

I'd also be very careful with chucking around accusations of fraud if I were you; never know who's reading.

hope you have a good lawyer



like bren2k said we are not the first and we won't be the last club to have the HMRC come knocking at the door

My mistake! Those shirts are too similar!!

Actually I believe it's pretty well known that Wigan haven't done that I believe the only other team who have had any tax issues have been Crusaders in recent times. It is at the end of the day an attempt at fraudulently not paying your taxes if you end up with that. I don't see how a sports team in this day and age can get their taxes so wrong I mean surely they can all afford at least an expert lawyer I mean my uncles a lawyer and I believe he is on around 35k a year so needing a lawyer for a few weeks or even for a full year cant exactly be the most expensive thing in the grand scheme of things.

Anyway this topic wasnt about that it was about the stadium and the tax thing is a reason you cant afford it. I was sympathising with you all I would hate Wigan to be in this mess but I had it thrown back in my face as though I was subversively mocking you instead.

I actually like(ed) Wakey (apart from your idiot head coach) but now I am glad you may not be in the league any more because your fans are unwelcoming when they get sympathy! I would hate to see what happens if another team's fan comes on here going "haha no new stadium" etc.

What a complete load of twaddle!!!

There has to be an intention to deceive for it to be fraud.

So you are suggesting all the sporting clubs in soccer,rugby union,rugby league etc.....that have used image rights have committed fraud?

Come back when youve matured a bit!!!

No point even debating with him, the whole image rights despite been explained to him has quite obviously gone over his head!

Fair point,but you cant just give up on the youth of today(however thick they may appear),we must continue to try and educate them.
Hopefully his lawyer uncle will help out with his education.

It's like ambers back with all these youth/kid quotes cropping up.
Does he move in mysterious ways?

I wouldn't have thought so after posting his salary on here.

Oh dear; I feel a bit like Jeremy Kyle...

Look I came here to sympathise with a rugby team in trouble obviously all your fans are interested in is making other fans unwelcome on your board.

I'm a Wigan fan, yes but I'm a RL fan first but you all seem to ignore this fact and bring my club allegiances into it.

Good riddance in April lads

Oh and to add I'm a University student and my last piece of work got a First class and I am currently working at a 2:1 average in my final year so don't call me uneducated.

I don't come on these boards to argue I come to discuss rugby but you're all clearly incapable of this unless its praising your team.

Hope you don't get a stadium.

take your blinkers off,

so a few supporters have up set you because they have stood up to constant barrage from all fans not just you

you once like us now you don't, what does that say about you,

RL fan not grow up

dare I say it you come on here and accuse the club of being fraudulent to the tax man and expect the supporters not to have a go back at you,



with comments like that it could get you in deep ,

you want to talk about rugby fine but I'm sure at the age of 21 you can't that experienced to know the ins and outs of running a business

Shush now - the grown-ups are talking.

Translated to:

I couldnt be bothered to get a proper job and universities accept any dross these days.

Working toward degree well done, you are not exclusive to that many people who post on here already have a degree (myself included), but as that has no relevance to the issue being discussed most of the time people choose not to mention it. Just because you are working toward a degree doesn't exclusively remove you from being referred to as uneducated.

I love the way you place yourself on a mantle to look down on us mere mortals. Having an education does automatically give you the high ground when it comes to rational argument or common sense. I take reading your earlier posts that your degree isn't Law. If it were you would have the common sense and education to know that facing a winding up order does not constitute 'tax fraud'. However you making such allegations does allow for the other party to consider legal action, if you were as educated as you think you are, then you would be fully aware that remark is libelous.

As for your comment about praising the team, you clearly do not read the forums very often. If you did you would be fully aware that we Wakefield supporters are the worst ones for actually praising our team.

Your lecturer will be so proud at your undoubted level of maturity you showed in your final sentence.

2:1's are easy and everyone's got a degree these days. I got a 2:1 and I was drunk most of the time. And you'll still end up on the bins or asking people if they want to supersize it.

totally agree with your first point, my step son is in year 11 and he has been "given" 2 gcse grades for going on a two week course, 1 gcse for going on a two day course. he could potentialy have 12 gcse's at the end of this academic year, and no rocket scientist is he!!
to get even the thickest into college they just hand out gcse's for going on courses where you will get 1 for being able to breathe in and out unaided and being able to go to the toilet on your own and not causing "too much" mess!!
it honestly is that simple, no wonder our school posted its best ever year for exam results this year.



and totally disagree with your second point, we do not, what a horrible thing to say, youve really hurt my feelings now!!

Biggest dummy spit ever?

Pathetic.

When I went to University they required you to have a basic understanding of English as well, obviously grammar and punctuation no longer matter. If you're unsure what I'm referring to have a read back through your previous posts.
I'm really glad that 'A' levels are not getting easier though, otherwise we'd have some right idiots getting into universities these days.