Are you frankie's dad?

Mariano has played 42 times for Wakefield
23 in 2011 14 in 2012 and 5 this season

So actually Agar has played him quite a lot though not as much as JK but equally there was no one else either.
19 games is enough for Agar to make an assessment in my opinion. Whether it is a good or bad decision it isn't a case of giving him a try, he knows what he can do.
He is not just not playing him, he is making a decision about whether he wants to play him, based on his previous games and his time at training.

And trust? Why is that even in question?
I pretty confident he isn't trying to make us lose so I trust him to do the best he can.
Right now I think Agar is good enough. Time will tell.

feel free to follow him to Fev and report back give it a rest

Why does he poop gold bars? Why does he deserve more chances than anyone else, he's had 5 starts he's not exactly been ignored.

As for Kear I wondered when that would happen, congrats for being the first to use that lame argument.

I see, sorry if i took what you said the wrong way.

No problem. I didn't really explain myself properly.

I Personally don't like the saying the manager has favorites, it makes it sound like there's something underhand going on, like he isn't picking his best side just those he gets on personally better. Obviously like everyone that watches RL, people rate players differently and that's exactly what's going on here and like what's been said before he's in the best place to make an assessment of said player. I don't think for one moment if Agar thought Mariano was better than the other players in the side he wouldn't pick him, atetd he's as desperate as us to win games, it's his livelihood on the line.

You are fast becoming a complete joke.
I suspect Kear didn't play him every week to earn your trust - he did it because he thought Frankie was the best available to him at the time.
The same reason that Agar is not picking him now.
If Kear had had Kirmond, Lauitiiti and the Annekin that we have seen so much of this season, how many games do you think Frankie would have got in front of them???
Bearing in mind standard practice is two 2nd rowers on the pitch and one on the bench, does he fit into those three places ahead of the ones named above?

Just out of interest, wasn't Frankie OOC at the end of last season? If Agar didn't think he had something to offer, wouldn't he have let him go instead of giving him another contract? Maybe he feels let down by a player he has rewarded with an improved contract based on his previous performances

WE ARE 4TH FROM BOTTOM IN THE LEAGUE AND BEHIND WIDNES! ALL IS NOT RIGHT! ALL IS ROSEY TO YOU BLINDED SET ! WILL SEE WHEN HE BECOMES A PLAYER AND I WILL LAFF IN ALL YOUR FACES. MELLERS WILL BE BACK ON A PLANE TO AUS , ALI WILL BE GETTING HIS PENSION AND MOLLOY WILL BE ON THE PHYSIO TABLE AND FRANKIE WILL BE HAVING A GREAT CAREER I WILL BE THE FIRST TO SAY TOLD YOU SO LIKE NORMAL !

Mental.

NGB4C, shush, the grown ups are talking. Go play with your Fuzzy Felt!

no not these days... I don't have the transport to get me to any games but I do watch live games on TV even if that means getting up at 4 am to do it!

I like Frankie... he has ability and every now and then he does something excellent!

Im not a great lover of Agar but I would say he wouldnt favour one player over another to see this simple fact just look at Amor he was cutting corners and was left out of the side.Do you think he would drop Amor just for the sake of it "I think not" I think Frankie could be a good player if he gave 100% but thats the point he does some good stuff but goes missing at times when needed.I wonder why he is going on loan to Fev and not being sold to a top club is it that McDermott,Smith,Wane,Brown etc have not seen what NGB4C has in Frankie.

Will you be the first to say sorry I got it wrong if he doesn't?

Hold on!

On another thread you are calling AG the all time greatest chairman yet at the same time demanding the return of John Kear.

Now tell us all, who sacked Kear?

Who signed Frankie?

Who didn't sign him?

So by definition who is responsible for Frankies fate?

By your epically twisted logic it is Andrew Glover.

I'm sceptical at the best of times about one man teams, but when someone is peddling FM as all that is best about Trinity it's laughable.

Finally and bad news for you, I have a long memory. The last time you went off on one was when we lost Fox to HKR. He was going to be the greatest winger ever and come back to haunt us. Never really happened though some will say he did come back and haunt us in a way.

Now give it a rest please.

I too think RA as his favourites e g Reece Lynne , although he has played quite well has he actually had a better game than Danny Cowling had against Saints and look what good that did him , also Danny Washbrook and Kyle Wood have been badly out of form this season but he as stuck with them . When has Vince Mellers actually played a game up to SL standard . on the Chris Anakin point , Chris is just the same as he was when he came to the club , the difference is he was given a chance and took it ,It would in my opinion have been the same with the two 10£ Poms .

He certainly has !!!!!icon_lol.gif
I have had to double my dose of beta blockers and blood pressure tablets when foxy is playing

In my opinion, Mellars has played quite well since he got his chance and has had a bit of a run.
He played in the away game at Saints when we had lots of players missing and really stood up and had his best game in a Trin shirt. Since then he has had a bit of a run in the team and has actually played fairly well.
The problem with Mellars is that lots of people formed opinions on him last season when we certainly didn't see the best of him for whatever reason, combined with the rumours about the salary he is on and have decided that he is not worth it.
If people put aside those preconceptions and viewed him as he is playing now, I think he would be a lot better received.

Annakin is not the same as last year, he may be in the way he plays but he has really knuckled down in pre-season and from the start of the season and is taking the chance he has been given well. There are well documented examples of where that was not the case in the past.

Kyle Wood managed to convince me last weekend that the step up to SL Halfback may well be beyond him, but he is still a reasonably good interchange hooker, although having seen how Maskill played last Saturday he will need to up his game to keep him out long term.

Danny Washbrook has been a little guilty this season of trying too hard to fulfill a role that is not really what he does best. I think when Kirmo was missing Washbrook tried hard to be that running 2nd row that we were missing and that detracted from his natural game. You can't say that a player who made nearly 1000 tackles in SL last season is a poor player, just he is not doing what he's good at.


These are all just my opinions and may differ from other people's and I won't try and shove them down your throat like some other posters do, just thought I'd bring up some points for discussion.

Annakin and Mariano are 2 good examples to use here

Chris Annakin (2012): not applying himself in training and finds himself out on loan in Workington. I'm sure he stood at Derwent Park, in front of a few hundred fans on a cold Thursday night and thought how the hell did I get here.

Result, he comes back, changes his attitude and trains like he should have right from the beggining and finds himself playing Super League on a regular basis.

Frankie Mariano, a player with all the physical attributes you'd want in a second rower, someone who really ought to be ripping it up and banging on the door of the England dressing room. Instead he'll be turning out in the Championship at Batley, I like Mount Pleasant by the way but it aint the DW, KC or the Gilbert Brutus!

Now if Frankie has it within him he'll be honest with himself about why he's there and admit that consistantly offering less than 100% effort has lead him to a crossroads in his Rugby League career.
It remains to be seen whether he's got the mental attributes to match his physical ones enabling him to follow Chris Annakins example.

Finally some one in this thread talks sense

When I first heard Frankie was going to Fev is was really peeved as I didnt feel he'd being given enough playing tim but the fact is you have to earn your right to play 1st grade RL, Frankie IMO defo has the ability but is clearly doing something wrong some where

As a manager (in any job) its your job to get the best from your team, people respond and raise the bar in different ways, I can only assume that Agar has deemed that this is the way to get FM playing at his best

I absolutley hope it works and will be ready to cheer frankie until i lose my voice when he comes back to trin to play in the first team!

Its up to you now Frankie! but know we are all supporting you!

At that time we needed a change I agree. Glover been awesome for us I am not twisting it around and saying its his fault I know you want me to but I am not. Hope Frankie comes back better and stronger, I am fine with that its just the fact he should be playing now Mellers doesnt deserve a place, Sykes should be dropped but isn't I question the fairness. Just prayer to god Agar knows what hes doing.

All these corners MAriano must be cutting in training must be shocking why don't we fine him then if hes so naughty in class, why doesnt Mr Agar bring back the cane. Its a Rugby club for christ sake not a boarding school. People are making him out to be like Homer Simpson too funny