I blame the bad loser attitude on taking competition away from kids.

A well reasoned post, it's a pity others can't accept the will of the majority, it's done now and it's time to move on otherwise the next 5 years will just make them bitter and resentful.

I did not vote and for the record have never done, so I have no regrets when I get let down and disappointed with false promises, and as for most politicians that old saying you can always tell when they're lying when their lips move comes into my thoughts when you see them spouting their rhetoric.

Not sure if you're joking but you're right as it happens.

The ridiculously liberal education system of the past 40 years, yes even in Thatcher's day has given people a monstrous sense of entitlement.

Everyone should have a dream and aim for that dream and settle for nothing less, utter nonsense, in the real world there are simply not enough 'dream' lives to go around. All is possible if you just believe, see above. Don't let anyone tell you no, a self evidently stupid assertion, as they will because they can and sometimes they can hurt you really bad if you do. All is possible with effort, no it's not, sadly you also need so much more to be a real success like actual talent, common sense and a nice dollop of luck....and so on.

We need to start educating people for life again not for a Disney fantasy epic. You want a gender realignment you have it when your 18 and when you might just know what you really think, just an example I could give dozens more.

One day if we are not careful the flawed wonders of Western civilisation and democracy will crumble without people even noticing. What they will notice is what replaces it and by then it will be too late. We need to toughen up, not become hard or mean but just realistic,

A bit deep I know, up the Trin

spot on

Just about sums it up.

I only hope they allow them now to get on with governing the country, ever since bojo got in it was just one thing after another blocking any move to govern which led to the re-election and the country spoke again,
I wish we'd get someone in that was strong enough to bring back the death penalty so we could save money on ridding some of the scum in this country that that thinks its ok the murder people

be careful Snowie mate you’ll upset the righteous

I agree with him BLM, for certain crimes, why should us, the tax payer, pay to keep them.

%100 agree

No joke from me mate, I watched my kids at sports day many years ago and watched one of her friends throw a right tantrum because she got beat, worse than that her dad I siting that the race be re run because his daughter wasn't ready. One of the most embarressing g things I have witnessed.

They don't know the meaning of losing and fighting back.

Brexiters want to take the country back to the 50s and now some on here want to bring back hanging. I despair. And how anybody in their right mind can think for one millisecond that the Tories in general and Johnson in particular give even one tiny fraction of a flying f.. K about places such as Blyth Valley, Workington, Dewsbury and Wakefield is beyond me. For just one example of their mindset look at how disabled and seriously ill people have been forced to work and/or denied benefits. Being callous and uncaring of the vulnerable, sick, less able and plain unlucky is hard wired in to Tory DNA. I guarantee that all those people who think they've been ignored and left behind are going to be sorely disappointed. Sorry.

Wow! Johnson has had a majority for barely 48 hours, and already people are calling for a return of the death penalty.

Good post Kev!!!

The death penalty are you mad, even some of the states in the USA are removing it from their statute because it does not work. How many have been released because of miscarriages of justice meaning they were innocent. I suppose these cases would probably not be reopened because it’s a little tricky to bring someone back from the dead.
What next we revisit the introduction of workhouses like one of their new MP’s suggested. Why not bring back fox hunting, I fear for any of the minorities who are going to face an increase in prejudice that some of our fellow citizens believe Brexit allows them.

This is literally the lie that will never die. I should be amazed that people still believe the stuff on the side of the bus after all these years but sadly it's still out there.

All you have to do is look to the USA to see the wider negatives of the death penalty, no matter how disgusting the crime, even in states like Texas that love the death penalty, you see if you watch and read about it enough that it doesn't works as a rule. Sure there are some that have done the crime, no questions asked and you'd love to straight walk them out of court and put one on their heads because their crimes are so heinous, but obviously law doesn't work like that and most cases are very complex and and are sometimes down to things like quality of lawyer or which State they get convicted etc. A study, published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences determined that at least 4% of people on death row were and are likely innocent.

Ateotd it takes years and years for prisoners to get to the death penalty stage, even for those that were bang to rights and being on death row costs far more housing them because they get more privileges, more officers are watching fewer men because it's one per cell. Like I say most are not put to death until they've been imprisoned 20+ years, so it becomes redundant, especially when you take into account the average age of a prisoner doing life in prison is in their 60's , so many die before the get put to death. So many states in the USA have stopped using it because it's proved ineffectual, even states that have the DP many haven't put anyone to death in years .I read an article about a bloke in Florida man who was sentenced to death for strangling three women but died in May 2013—of natural causes. He had been on death row for nearly 40 years. The state never executed him because he was"too crazy to be killed", just shows how weird and complex cases are when a state like Florida doesn't kill a guy like that.

I'm really interested in anything about Law & Crime, did Law at College and still have a huge interest in the subject, reading and watched just about everything I can get my hands on and I'll be honest, I can say watch one documentary about an horrific child murderer or serial killer etc and you see red and want the Death Penalty brought back over here. But when I calm down & think it through again , especially when you know how many people have been wrongly put on death row, plus we know it's no deterrent to murder etc, I think again. A study, published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences determined that at least 4% of people on death row were and are likely innocent.

Anyone that really wants it brought back I'd suggest watching a documentary movie called 'The Fear of 13', apart from it being an amazing piece of work, it tells the story first hand of a guy called Nick Yarris, who was convicted of murder and spent 21 years on Death Row in Pennsylvania, until DNA proved him innocent, that for me makes it not wort it.

IMO as long as the ones who deserve it don't see the light of day, that's good with me and I'm happy to pay it. .

This is the very populism streak in the working classes that the far right tap into so very well. Forget how bad or otherwise Corbyn is, the fact that huge swathes of average Joes (of which I am one) can somehow think that the best bet for the next 5 years is the Tory party, after literally butchering the social fabric and structures they rely upon (via 'austerity') for the last 9 years, is incomprehensible to me. Don't try and get your head around it you'll drive yourself nuts.

Yes some people fall for things on buses and others fall for left wing propaganda

I don't know about 16 billion a year but 'the ONS reports that the UK government's net contribution to the EU – that is, the difference between the money it paid to the EU and the money it received – was £11.0 billion in 2018 compared with the £20.0 billion theoretical liability. '
[urlhttps://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/articles/theukcontributiontotheeubudget/2017-10-31[/url

Or to use another website like Fullfact they have it at 9 million a year we contribute.

[urlhttps://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/[/url

As they say

So maybe not what EW said but a whichever way you look at it a fair crack.

The question also has to be asked, even if we do pay in all this extra and will thus have a saving, who the F in their right mind thinks it will be spent on the working classes or the services predominantly used by them?!

And if people think the EU nationals are gonna have to leave most of em will be able to apply for settled status anyway. Not to mention most immigration still comes from outside the EU anyway. Can't wait for the huge difference we'll see when we finally 'get Brexit done'







P.S - excellent post on the death penalty SC

What I do find unbelievable is that the Tories give us 10+ years of austerity, then blame the immigrants and us this to suggest that we leave the EU and over half of the country dances to their tune.
If there had been sufficient funding for education and the NHS etc, nobody would have batted an eyelid but, "we" have been squeezed like never before and e are trusting the very people that have denied benefits to the disabled and terminally ill to put things right



Having said that, labour were a shambles and should have knocked the Tories off the political map but failed miserably - it's bloody depressing.
One thing Boris Johnson isn't, is a man of the people - never has been and never will be and when you look at who is sitting next to him round the cabinet table (Rees Mogg and Pritti Patel etc) God help us.
The ecconomy is already flat lining and "we" think they are going to spend money up North, it's embarrassing.

This is the same party that has already tried to kill off industry in Yorkshire in the 80's

They do say, be careful what you wish for.

All true, but you only need a computer and a bit of time and the want to truly learn & educate yourself on things , however left or right you may be.


Personally just about everyone one I know except for a few far lefties, fall pretty much dead , probably like most of the country when it generally comes to how we want our country to work and be perceived by others. That is most people support socialised medicine via the NHS and want those in genuine need through no fault of their own to be helped by the government. They don’t support ill-judged military meddling in the affairs of others. They believe in fair play and warmly welcome legal immigrants who want to become British and contribute to society. They don’t mind their taxes being spent on the deserving. Unless I'm misjudging people & without getting too deep, that's what most people want.

Well if he doesn't keep to at least some of his promises, especially up North. I can't see as many people being fooled again, cue The Who song, Won't Get Fooled Again......
[urlhttps://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/14/boris-johnson-plans-to-go-on-spending-spree-in-north[/url

IMO Labour have only themselves to blame. Corbyn was too wishy washy on certain matters and the people of Wakefield were clearly fed up with Creagh and Cooper going against their constituents on Brexit. Personally I was torn on Corbyn, he was more articulate and intelligent then Johnson who hid in a fridge to avoid an interview, but at the same time I was concerned at his idea that terrorist prisoners should be rehabilitated and not deported (or better yet shot).