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| Quote ="The Clan"I would have thought that any developer wishing to build a Water park in the area would have at least looked into the Pugneys Leisure and Water Park as a possibility.
Its a much more idilic setting for a themed water park than at the side of the motorway with a huge shopping complex next door.
Like many others I'm wondering if this is another smoke and mirrors excercise by the Cas BoD and Richard Wright.'"
The proposed development I believe will be under cover and purpose built so will create its own setting. Located at the side of Xscape and the Outlet Mall on a Motorway Junction makes it perfect - far better than Pugneys.
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"The proposed development I believe will be under cover and purpose built so will create its own setting. Located at the side of Xscape and the Outlet Mall on a Motorway Junction makes it perfect - far better than Pugneys.'"
pugneys could never happen.
and this will lose a fortune.
simple plain and uncontestable fact is non subsciption water facilities ie pools and slidy pools lose money.
and lots and lots and lots of it, freze it ie Xscape and it makes money because it cant leak drain get unhygenic etc.
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| Quote ="The Trip"Wadski it's a WATER PARK not a paddling pool. you really must travel a bit more.'"
I stand corrected.
I doubt they will be up to the standards of the three (are there still three?) in Disney Orlando.
I wonder if there was a reason they didn't build one at Disneyland Europe though?
Whilst I seem to appear very negative about this I would welcome somewhere different where we could take the kids for the day. My kids are very young but have an affinity with water and both go swimming weekly (one being only 12 weeks old and at a private pool). But I hate the Metrodome with a passion and the place was summed up for me by a kid stood in the pool sharing chips with his mother. Great concept that would have Jamie Oliver running to the hills.
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| Quote ="Wadski"I stand corrected.
I doubt they will be up to the standards of the three (are there still three?) in Disney Orlando.
I wonder if there was a reason they didn't build one at Disneyland Europe though?
Whilst I seem to appear very negative about this I would welcome somewhere different where we could take the kids for the day. My kids are very young but have an affinity with water and both go swimming weekly (one being only 12 weeks old and at a private pool). But I hate the Metrodome with a passion and the place was summed up for me by a kid stood in the pool sharing chips with his mother. Great concept that would have Jamie Oliver running to the hills.'"
No where is mate!
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| Quote ="The Clan"No where is mate!
Quality'"
Proper burnt my shoulders queuing up for the massive one with the horn on the boat.
Although we got wetter running for the van when it started to 'rain'.
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| Quote ="Wadski"I stand corrected.
I doubt they will be up to the standards of the three (are there still three?) in Disney Orlando.
I wonder if there was a reason they didn't build one at Disneyland Europe though?
Whilst I seem to appear very negative about this I would welcome somewhere different where we could take the kids for the day. My kids are very young but have an affinity with water and both go swimming weekly (one being only 12 weeks old and at a private pool). But I hate the Metrodome with a passion and the place was summed up for me by a kid stood in the pool sharing chips with his mother. Great concept that would have Jamie Oliver running to the hills.'"
Blizzard Beach & Typhoon Lagoon. The other closed. There is still Wet & Wild and the new one at Sea World, Aquatica.
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"Blizzard Beach & Typhoon Lagoon. The other closed. There is still Wet & Wild and the new one at Sea World, Aquatica.'"
are those resort comparable to say, er, glasshoughton?
except to say in comparative terms they are a lot better than????
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"Blizzard Beach & Typhoon Lagoon. The other closed. There is still Wet & Wild and the new one at Sea World, Aquatica.'"
Was'nt the other one Huckleberry Finns River Adventure or something like that?
Typhoon Lagoon is superb, first time I went I got caught out by the big wave as I knew nothing about it. I'd swum out towards the rope at the back and was knacked when boom!!!
I just had time to say FFS and then let it wash me up back on the beach
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| Quote ="chapster"are those resort comparable to say, er, glasshoughton?
except to say in comparative terms they are a lot better than????'"
This was my fault. My definition of a waterpark may be slightly different to the Castleford Artistic Impressionist.
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| Quote ="The Clan"Was'nt the other one Huckleberry Finns River Adventure or something like that?
Typhoon Lagoon is superb, first time I went I got caught out by the big wave as I knew nothing about it. I'd swum out towards the rope at the back and was knacked when boom!!!
I just had time to say FFS and then let it wash me up back on the beach'"
We all went to Orlando as a family for my dads retirement (10 of us).He lost his glasses on a ride at Typhoon Lagoon. They called for someone and a 'Helper' in a full frogman outfit tipped up and they shut the ride whilst he collected the glasses. Of the 7 pairs he pulled out only one of them was my dads!.
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| Quote ="Wadski"This was my fault. My definition of a waterpark may be slightly different to the Castleford Artistic Impressionist.'"
yes yours seemed to be in a renowned holiday resort with a captive rich audience!
now unless disney and warners are planning something in the guaranteed heat of glasshoughton in the next few years, with expensive hotels that subsidise your exciting rides i can see a tad of an economic hole in their argument!
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| Quote ="The Clan"Was'nt the other one Huckleberry Finns River Adventure or something like that?
Typhoon Lagoon is superb, first time I went I got caught out by the big wave as I knew nothing about it. I'd swum out towards the rope at the back and was knacked when boom!!!
I just had time to say FFS and then let it wash me up back on the beach'"
Yeah - when we went it was only open 4 days a week I think. It was a sort of wet adventure playground where you were supposed to fall off. I don't think people got it!
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| Quote ="chapster"yes yours seemed to be in a renowned holiday resort with a captive rich audience!
now unless disney and warners are planning something in the guaranteed heat of glasshoughton in the next few years, with expensive hotels that subsidise your exciting rides i can see a tad of an economic hole in their argument!'"
Stop ruining my dream.
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| Quote ="chapster"pugneys could never happen.
and this will lose a fortune.
simple plain and uncontestable fact is non subsciption water facilities ie pools and slidy pools lose money.
and lots and lots and lots of it, freze it ie Xscape and it makes money because it cant leak drain get unhygenic etc.'"
Of course Pugneys could never happen, it was only a view from the Clan.
Water Parks often struggle to make money in the States, Water Mania in Orlando closed years ago but there is more competition in Orlando but a bigger audience.
It looks a cracking scheme but will require massive Capital Investment and one hell of a nerve from the investors.
Will be great for the area if it comes off but I would guess its a long way from becoming reality. Good luck to Castleford, I for one hope it happens and they get their Stadium.
I hope even more that the Stadium at Newmarket comes off for us.
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"Of course Pugneys could never happen, it was only a view from the Clan.
and i know that too....chill mate!
its an intresting discussion, but to think that a ground would be better of with a non subscription water facility is pure folly.
...........and you probably know that as well as i do!
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| Quote ="The Clan"Was'nt the other one Huckleberry Finns River Adventure or something like that?
Typhoon Lagoon is superb, first time I went I got caught out by the big wave as I knew nothing about it. I'd swum out towards the rope at the back and was knacked when boom!!!
I just had time to say FFS and then let it wash me up back on the beach'"
River Country I think it was called.
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| Quote ="Wadski"Stop ruining my dream.'"
soz bud!
just gets me these grand plans ffs
best one ever was disney world paris, it had all disney backing etc etc and................
anyway
tiger world glasshoughton here we come!
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| Quote ="Fully"That seems a low figure, but I guess that's down to location and size again?'"
The deal was for a total figure of around £3.5m with various payments made at certain key stages (i.e. obtaining planning permission). Some of the money will have gone to repay the bank so that the legal charge they held could be released - just like it would if you sold your house for more than your mortgage was for. The bulk of the remainder is being used as the club's contribution to the community trust that is building the stadium.
We all know that WR is a bigger site than Belle Vue, so will obviously have the potential to give Cas greater funds, however, the real value cannot be realised until the blast zone from the Hicksons site no longer exists so that a residential development can be built & the last I heard was that the various plans for that site had been withdrawn.
Even when that hurdle has been cleared, there's no guarantee that any house builder will want to buy more land for a few years yet. An agreement in principle may exist, but in reality it's a meaningless term and is something that either side could easily get out of if they wanted.
For the good of the future of both clubs - and therefore local RL - I want to see both sides get the new stadia they deserve. It doesn't really matter who gets their's built first or whose is considered to be the better stadium. What matters is that both clubs have progressed far enough with their individual plans that it isn't an issue when it comes to the next franchise decision.
Equally, if both clubs make the playoffs for the next couple of years (and ideally don't fall at the first hurdle) it will be extremely difficult for the RFL not to give both clubs a franchise regardless of the progress for new stadia.
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| Quote ="chapster"soz bud!
just gets me these grand plans ffs
best one ever was disney world paris, it had all disney backing etc etc and................
anyway
tiger world glasshoughton here we come!'"
I take an interest in these 'new' stadia from an economics point of view. The less outlandish designs seem to move forward quicker and I sometimes wonder whether these concept drawings are used to keep people sweet as there is actually very little in terms of actual movement forward.
I refer to St Helens and Salford stadia where Saints chose to build a Saints ground and it appears to me moving forward whereas Salfords with its Learning Centre and Hotel is now haemorrhaging these follies.
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| Quote ="Wadski"I take an interest in these 'new' stadia from an economics point of view. The less outlandish designs seem to move forward quicker and I sometimes wonder whether these concept drawings are used to keep people sweet as there is actually very little in terms of actual movement forward.
I refer to St Helens and Salford stadia where Saints chose to build a Saints ground and it appears to me moving forward whereas Salfords with its Learning Centre and Hotel is now haemorrhaging these follies.'"
exactly spot and dead correct!
edited because the above post is correct and makes a better point than i did!
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| Quote ="chapster"exactly spot and dead correct!
actually if you built a ground that stayed open all night for younger people at present probably would not need to charge on the gate!
hey but lets not get proven govt released facts get in the way of a debate eh?'"
There was a nightclub (Baralona's which is now a JJB gym) on the trading estate at Birstall. They had free buses from Huddersfield and Leeds but it just didn't work as people didn't want to sit on a bus for an hour wasting valuable 2 for 1 time.
In reference to a post above on the values of the land sold - BV was sold with planning permission for Housing whereas I cannot find any planning permission on WR at present. Housing granted land is still worth more than commercial so size of plot may be irrelevant.
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| Quote ="Wadski"There was a nightclub (Baralona's which is now a JJB gym) on the trading estate at Birstall. They had free buses from Huddersfield and Leeds but it just didn't work as people didn't want to sit on a bus for an hour wasting valuable 2 for 1 time.
In reference to a post above on the values of the land sold - BV was sold with planning permission for Housing whereas I cannot find any planning permission on WR at present. Housing granted land is still worth more than commercial so size of plot may be irrelevant.'"
WR has not got any planning permission, its not even zoned for housing but it will be in the not too distant future.
I can't believe its been sold to a developer. He may have an option at an agreed price subject to planning and may have paid a deposit. He may even have entered into a contract to purchase but contracts are not binding. He will be able to pull out or seek a renegotiation of the price. If he pulls out he will probably lose the option fee or deposit but he cannot be made to buy the land if he does not want to.
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| Quote ="youngcat"Why all the insults because Cas have plans to build a new stadium. Good luck to them, personally i will delighted to have Britains biggest water park on our door step.
BUT i am more concerned about the progress of our stadium than our near neighbours, instead of attacking the Cas stadium plans wouldn't it be
better supporting and raising the profile of our proposed stadium.'"
at last, someone with sense
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Quote ="chapster"its the pool with the slides in wakefield city centre!!!'"
Its a =redEdit ants everywhere
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Quote ="chapster"its the pool with the slides in wakefield city centre!!!'"
Its a =redEdit ants everywhere
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| Quote youngcat wrote: Why all the insults because Cas have plans to build a new stadium. Good luck to them, personally i will delighted to have Britains biggest water park on our door step.
BUT i am more concerned about the progress of our stadium than our near neighbours, instead of attacking the Cas stadium plans wouldn't it be
better supporting and raising the profile of our proposed stadium.
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exactly
it'll keep all the little tigers fans from terrorising the streets
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