I've bagged Mellars a lot in the past, but last night he did nothing wrong and was one of the better players out of a bad bunch. His attitude in defence in particular, he doesnt offer much in attack, bar his size out wide.

Molloy I have seen nothing to convince me SL standard.
The idea of having Mariano on loan to Fev is rediculous.

We played well Vs Catalan.. if Poore was out then why wasn't Mellars kept in the centres and Mariano brought into the 2nd row. We would have a much better chance imo.

Thats the problem Mellers is just ok every game hes OK! Eventually he may make a break zzzzzzzz. HES AVERAGE !!!! Cowling tackles Flannery and we won the game against St Helens thanks to that tackle I can't see Lynn doing that. Cowling has impressed me every time when hes played.

Are you trying to set a record for different spellings on Reece Lyne?

I said when he signed I didn't think he had what it takes to become a SL player, I came back after a few games to ask if he had proved me wrong, all said yes, but I still had my doubts.

I'm not sure why Agar is playing him at centre, he spent all of his time on the wing at Hull and didn't look big or strong enough for the wing.

As I've sad before he is a nice kid who was bigger and faster than everyone in the youth leagues, players have now caught up and overtaken him and he now is being found out.

To play him against one of the form centres in the league was a big mistake by agar, although I think Crooks would have made look a fool, so not sure your options could be?

I'll back him up since I know the kid. When he did peck at London it looked like season over, but 2nd look n scan reveled not as bad, but bad enough. Still hasn't been full weight training since,only just about there but has lost a good few kg.
Also though I'd say as a neutral who's seen quite a few of your games your left side service is at about 70% of what it earlier in the yr. Ali him n Benny were thriving on crisp early ball. Ali isn't getting that now, seems lot slower n having to make something out of half the space he had earlier in the yr, you're right is now getting the sharp service.
Think a few weeks out will help him greatly, he played 1sl game in 18month's including off season and already has about 10 this.
Remember form can return in sport as fast as it goes. Fox was struggling a matter of weeks ago and within a few more was 1of the form wingers of the comp.

Must agree. One time last night he caught the ball and looked like a rabbit caught in the headlights!

having questioned our signing of jon molloy and saying id not remembered seeing him at his roots at wigan and then at huddersfield i was hit by an huddersfield fan who said because of injury i wouldnt have seen him intheir u20s quickly supported by shifty cat who im sure was pleased to tell me thats why i wouldnt have seen him, well ive done some research played stand off for wigan against our u18s in the semi final when we won the title ,i repeat cant remember seeing him ,and what ive seen of him while here backs up every thing ive said previously cmon shifty really intrested to hear your opinion of a player whos played about 30 mins in 3 games.

cant believefolk are happy with mellars one of our biggest if not our biggest money earners doing ok, the guys 6ft 4 must be 17 stone cant break a tackle weve lads out on loan better while ever weve fans with that mindset the coach and board are on a winner cmon get me

I watched Frankie against Batley last week and looked ordinary in an average side on the day who were lucky to win thanks to some bad calls.You wouldn't have thought he was a SL player on his performance.As for Mellars I didn't go to the game, my son went and he said he was one of the better players for Wakey and I think he's a pretty good judge on all things rugby.He also said he wished he hadn't gone as well. !!!!!!!.

Mel lard has been solid and was far away from the worst on the field vs hull.

Give the guy a break, he's come back from a big injury and is playing pretty solid and while not breaking tackles every hit up is making pretty decent yards.

Mariano was sent on loan to Fev when there was also a rumour of an offer to go back to KR. Think it was the right decision to send him to Fev. Lets see what he is made of in the Championship. The above statement seems to point to a lack of personal motivation. I maybe jumping the gun, but a supposed proven Super League player should be a stand out performer, a bit like Cockayne was the other year for Fev. Also with regard to Mellars, he turned a loan move down, possibly to fight for his place. Got a bit of stick when he first came into side, but has been getting better. Not really done owt wrong or spectacular, has been part of a good team unit the past few weeks that was progressing.

There are a multitude of things going on in this thread - all of them come back to management / coaching issues.

I am ambivalent towards Agar. I think he has done some great work for the club, but I also think he has got many things wrong.

On the plus side:
Most of his signings have worked out.
He pulled a new side together last year and kept faith with them until it worked.
He is a thinker of the game.
He seems to enjoy respect from the players.
He is working with tight financial constraints

On the downside:
I'm not covinced in his motivational side (hence not being 100% for a cup-tie)
He seems to have his 'favourties'
We haven't started well this year - we are only 2 points ahead of this stage last year!
He hasn't brought the juniors through.
Not sure what is going on with the Mariano / Molloy thing at all (time will tell)

My biggest problem is this thing about management of players. We have seen several comments about players not having the right attitude, but in some of these cases I am not sure that we are managing them all that well.

The Walshaw issue is one that springs to mind. Have we seen the last of him? He is a big talented kid who has issues away from RL, but are they insurmountable? Can we not work out a solution so that he can manage his private life as well as becoming the RL player he should be>

What of Cowling? Apart from 3 early season games, Lyne has shown nothing to suggest that we didn't already have a player at at least the equivalent stage of development - one begging for an opportunity in the first team. Will he still be there when we need him?

What of Trout? He has seemingly gone backwards. Is that his making or ours? Have we put the faith in him for him to re-pay us?

An of course lastly, what of Annakin? Have we missed the boat by not having seen his potential (for of course no-one knew that he was a good player until this season - not!) and getting him signed on a longer contract BEFORE putting him in the shop window and leaving him open to sign for whoever he chooses?

In not one of these examples do I see (in my humble, naive, way) a single one where the development of the player, and therefore the strengthening of the squad, has been put above the priority of 'fitting them in when others are not available'. To be blunt, we have shown no faith in them - or rather Agar hasn't!

This is all exactly what we were told by the Hull fans, and follows a pattern started by JK (he is not the answer). It also runs completely the opposite to Shaun Wane - his attitude is that whoever he puts out (and there have been plenty of kids), he EXPECTS them to win.

Of course I will concede that I do not know the remit given, or priority placed, by the management, although I am led to believe that coaching is very much left to RA as AG's knowledge isn't great and JE is too busy with other matters.

The big concern in all this is that if we lose the above players, then we have little coming through the 19's at present and we may struggle to fulfil our 'home grown' quota. As it is now, only Woody is featuring regularly from that group of players!

I'm not banging any drums to get rid of RA, and I know some will be very defensive of him, but I find these issues very frustrating and find difficulty in understanding the long term plan in the way we are going about this.

In short - if RA signed them - they seem to play / if RA didn't sign them - they don't! Someone prove me wrong please!

Difficult to argue with a lot of this especially about players like Annakin, Cowling and Mariano. Should be anouncement Annakin resigned 3 year asap!

Think Agar has his favourites and Molloy signing was bizarre he hasn't pulled up trees despite Agar saying he was already in very good shape before needing match fitness. Washbrook needs to be rested for few weeks and other options looked at.

Still to be convinced that letting Ellis and Mariano go weren't mistakes. Still think no one out there available better than Agar but does his side kick Webster do enough? Whose the motivator? Frustrated when look at Huddersfield or Bradford as we should be where they are rugby wise with our history... We just can't take that next step into top 6 side, is it purely down to investment?

pretty good read of the situation trb,cant disagree whith anything there, alot of it as been mentioned on here before usually given the cold shoulder by certain fans

you have summed up how many of us see it especially re fringe players. How is Molloy better than Walshaw or Lynne better than Cowling , what incentive is there for juniors to come to wakey ? Why let Jordan Grayston go and then have limited cover for Mathers ? Jordan was a prolific goalkicker too . Is there any truth in the Anakin for westwood rumour ? suppose all qustions we could ask at the Audience with Richard Agar at Carlton cricket on 22 May

We should be able to ask these questions at an audience with at BV. Seems an eternity since the last one.

I don't know if there is any truth in the Annakin for Westwood rumour but if Wakefield don't improve their current contract offer I certainly would not hold it against him if he moved on. It is quite insulting!

Annekin should be a priority. Lyne after a promising start had proved to be very disappointing and I don't understand the Molloy signing, enough cover even with mariano loaned out. Lee smith has been hit and miss and I sometimes get the impression that he thinks he's bigger and better than a club like Wakefield, having said that he's been moved around quite a bit so maybe a bit of slack can be cut. I'd like to see cowling get a sustained run we'll never know if he can maintain his performance from the saints game if he doesn't get the chance. I think he could well have what it takes. Don't get the mellars bashing, he's been contributing as much as anyone else since he got back in to the team. Don't know what walshaw a situation out of rugby league is (some here onviously do and seem to think its manageable) but again I think he could have what it takes given a chance. Was there any point in signing goulding jr if all were doing is farming him out on loan?

One thing I will say is we need all our best players on the park to be competitive but many of those above aren't considered the best in their positions and probably rightly so so it's going to be difficult for them to get a chance. I'd probably take a punt on cowling move smith to 6 and bring mathers back in.

Thought it was WISCA who used to organise these events. Now they no longer function I don't know if we will ever see them down at BV again... so best get up to Carlton CC and take the opportunity whilst its available.

I have been trying to come up with a post on this subject since Friday but TRB has taken away all my thunder , apart from . At the last evening with , RFA he said when referring to our own developed players , they needed SL games under their belt( and I think he said 20 or a dozen )before he could make an assessment on them . Such as Danny , Lucas , should have achieved that by now , how can they gain experience and learn from their mistakes if he won’t select them . I realise not all of our OWN produced players will actually make it to SL level but in the crop of the invincibles a very high percentage should have , With the anti tampering window being open I had hoped we would have heard some positive news by now on Retention and Re/recruitment , I must say I fear that it’s not going to happen , and yet again ask what’s happened to the “one of the most important days in our history” 1873 scheme principals and intensions.

Reece Lyne has had his chance for me, which he took well before his injury but he doesn't seem the same player since. It's now time to aford the same opportunity to "one of our own" in Cowling. Give him half a dozen games to develop some consistency and prove whether he is the answer at centre.

Mathers back to fullback, Lee Smith to Stand-Off and Cowling in the centre for the next few games.

Annekin has had his chance and grasped it with both hands and I will be very disappointed if we lose him. Let's not lose the 3 best prospects we have in Annekin, Cowling and Walshaw.
We need a certain amount of home-grown players in our squad and these 3 look the best option of allowing us to do that - It is essential IMO that we try our hardest to keep them all but they need game time or else they're not going to sign.

Thats just how i see it Fordy, lets hope it happens soon before its too late.

Said a few weeks ago, I want Cowling to have a run in the side, that was even before Lyne's loss of form, now it should be a given we call him back up to the squad imo. I've got a mate who's a Doncaster fan who watches them each week & he's always going on abut how classy Cowling is, he also says he's improved in his time playing with them. Granted it's not SL standard but still, he's consistently one of their best players on the pitch.

Watched some highlight's of him playing Keighley and he set up a try with an awesome offload, if it was a SL player making it on SKY, the comms would be waxing lyrical.

See no reason now for Cowling not to be in the team. Mathers at fullback, Cowling in at centre, Smith to stand off and Wood back on the bench. Job done.

Reece lynn if he's not playin at hull and you offer him a chance he grabs it so why give him 3yrs? madness! As for agars youth policy all he's done is decimate the confidence of a team that spanked wigan.If our juniors need 15/20 superleague games under their belt to be assesed for their suitability[which they won't get They better sign for wigan cos it dosen't seem to bother mr wane.Anybody remember a meeting at belle vue with elston and ag denying agar was the coach as still contracted to hulll. In that meeting elston said the new coach must be able to develop the youth policy "In the past wakefield have let too many young players leave thats gone on to great things like ben westwood" .So if theirs any truth in the new romour whats are policy now? westwood in and one of are best prospects who's just managed to force his way in out. How hypocritical ther lucky to have any young players.

Don't agree with that, Woody is a halfback and has done ok in at least one full game. Smith isn't a halfback and after his disaster at F/B has not IMHO earned a crack at S/O - had he I'd have given him a go but now it seems like rewarding failure.