Nothing like Tanginoa in either position.

Didn't say he was.....

There are loads of these players, remember Paul Jackson, a nowt player when we got him yet imho pound for pound one of the best ever. England was another and I reckon I could find a dozen more who’ve just joined us with little reputation and done the business.

Yes, Vasty, did like PJ myself - right up there for me.

David Wrench?

Jamie Field
Karl Amor
Darrell Griffin
Richard Moore
Mark Webster
John Glancy
Mike Forshaw
Michael Jackson
Paul Johnson
Frankie Mariano

Not all props but all fringe players.

Some didn’t shine for long and not all were brilliant but all gave better service for far less than most reputation Aussie props.

They are out there and these days I recon we’d keep most of them.

I know you didn’t, just using it to make a point.

To be honest, never really got the love of Richard Moore or Michael Korkidas, yes effort was there, but a handling error or penalty conceded from either was never far away

Korki maybe, but Richard Moore? Can't agree with that I thought he was a real asset for most of his time with us

Tinirau Arona has been a fantastic signing and plays prop...

I can see where TW and yourself are coming from, Moore did give penalties away especially the sending off against newly promoted HKR, but both gave their all for Trinity and nice kids as well.

Ricky Bibey anyone! When he played for Wigan everyone hated him because he played the wigan way, when he played for us different player allways gave his all a real asset.

Must have been watching a different Korky to some fans on here ,Never took a backward step .Would put him in as one of the better overseas signing .

He sure was no other team he played for got out of him what we got out of him.

He’s not British, I was picking players we’d found on the fringes of the British game.

Andy and Kirmond probably fall into that bracket.

I was going to put Bibey but he wasn’t an unknown when we signed him.

I don’t think a lot of people got Bibey. He didn’t huff and puff and he wasn’t flash but if you wanted to show a young player the basics of being a prop he was the man.

He drove the ball in often and hard, went to ground and got to his feet in the blink of an eye. Players like Korky would flay about and wrestle a few more inches but in the meantime the opposition had reset their defensive line. When Bibey played the ball half of them were nowhere near set.

It wasn’t the yards Bibey made that counted it was the yards he allowed others to make. Fans don’t seem to appreciate that there is more than one way to play and wasted effort is not the best imho.

So yes I’d love another Bibey but what I’m talking about here is players who came to us with no real reputation and did a great job. Still think there are plenty of those kicking around who just want a chance.

I’m guessing you mean Raleigh? If so I’d say he’d already proved himself by the time he joined us.

Kirmo yes but I’m really talking front rowers or those who have it a go. Best will in the world Kirmo was never a prop.

Amor was fringe but everyone knew he was going to big things. Leeds signed him as the next big thing and then didn't play him. We were exactly what he needed to push on.
Jacko and Griffin were great punts when no one else was brave enough.
Webster was always a Wakefield lad.
Moore wasn't fringe, as with Bibey. They had both been at the top and fallen foul of off field and other issues. They were Kear projects that worked perfectly for us. Moore may have given the penalty away but he brought so much more with his aggression it was worth it.
Mike Forshaw was already very well known. He wasn't fringe. He would have played in any team.
Paul Johnson I assume you mean the forward not the centre from Wigan? One was unknown and did ok but the other was very well known and came for an end of career season.

Here we go.

So scratch my list, none of it ever happened

I have no idea what you read when you reply to my posts.
I was just adding more detail to a good post that started a conversation.

Well I apologise, it read like a dismissal to me.

The only one I was correcting really was Webster.
The rest I agree were all successful punts when no one else wanted them I was just explain some were unknown, some where getting old and some had fallen back for other reasons.

Apologies if I didn't explain it very well.

Sorry to be a pedant.

Webster was a Wakey lad but he actually signed for Saints. He was languishing in there reserve team when we signed him.

Hence he was another rescue job from obscurity.

Liked Webster but I don’t think things went well for him post Rugby.

I think we do usually get more out of English forwards. I think the Battye type players/signings are often our best.

I don’t think we’ve had too many disasters in terms of forward oversea signings in the past decade, but they certainly are at the very best on a par with the UK lads. I sometimes think that fans put too much pressure on though and just think because they are quota then they will steamroll the opposition and must be better than their English counterparts. Other than the odd few though I can’t remember many disaster signings.

I know people like Poore came with a big rep and he did give loads of pens away but I’ve been watching some old games and defensively he was very good. I think people just thought he was going to be a blockbuster but really he was just a defensive Prop.

One overseas Prop that I did like and wish we could have come to an agreement with was Stosic. Underrated and played a big part in the 2009 season. Nothing flashy but like Bibey he always found his front pretty quickly. Got through a lot of tackling too.

In balance though for every decent overseas forward we have probably had two/three good British forwards.