Minns and Little Dave both now signed up... https://wakefieldtrinity.com/blog/2022/ ... -for-2022/

Minns and Little Dave both now signed up... https://wakefieldtrinity.com/blog/2022/ ... -for-2022/

Quote ="FIL"Minns and Little Dave both now signed up... https://wakefieldtrinity.com/blog/2022/ ... -for-2022/'" Can’t say I’m surprised, no risk with a one year deal for either. I think that’s the back line well and truly covered imo. Leaves some scope to spend any money we may have left on the forwards should we need to. Purely speculation on my part but makes you think they are less than convinced that Bill will recover. Army Dave, Croft, Minns and Hall means there are options. Bill is not just of interest because on his day he’s a first class centre but because he’s a quota player. These spots are not as crucial as they used to be but still have a value should one free up. No ambiguity here I want Bill fit but at the same time we have to face the worst case scenario and also accept that every cloud can have a silver lining.

Quote ="FIL"Minns and Little Dave both now signed up... https://wakefieldtrinity.com/blog/2022/ ... -for-2022/'" Can’t say I’m surprised, no risk with a one year deal for either. I think that’s the back line well and truly covered imo. Leaves some scope to spend any money we may have left on the forwards should we need to. Purely speculation on my part but makes you think they are less than convinced that Bill will recover. Army Dave, Croft, Minns and Hall means there are options. Bill is not just of interest because on his day he’s a first class centre but because he’s a quota player. These spots are not as crucial as they used to be but still have a value should one free up. No ambiguity here I want Bill fit but at the same time we have to face the worst case scenario and also accept that every cloud can have a silver lining.

Quote ="FIL"Minns and Little Dave both now signed up... https://wakefieldtrinity.com/blog/2022/ ... -for-2022/'" Great news as IMO both went really well on Boxing Day and I’m pretty sure they’ll grasp the opportunity with both hands Fil and prove to be great acquisitions for the club.

Quote ="FIL"Minns and Little Dave both now signed up... https://wakefieldtrinity.com/blog/2022/ ... -for-2022/'" Great news as IMO both went really well on Boxing Day and I’m pretty sure they’ll grasp the opportunity with both hands Fil and prove to be great acquisitions for the club.

Think this is good news both will be eager to impress as they will want longer deals and i would only imagine they wont be on big bucks tom is a good experienced player and gives some strength in centres and armydave as vasty called him really does look like he could become a handfull

im looking forward to seeing the development of players coming through the system and the reserve grade will be very interesting to watch....

im looking forward to seeing the development of players coming through the system and the reserve grade will be very interesting to watch....

I Agree and I'm pleased they've both been signed.
Plenty of options now in the threequarters, and not just players making the numbers up but genuine quality prospects!

Think that’s the difference.

I genuinely believe that all the players now promoted from the academy to first team have a genuine chance of making it. That’s not to say they will, a long way to go yet. But gone are the days when you just knew that these lads weren’t good enough at SL level and never would be.

We’ve had a few really good Academy teams but they were teams and the lack of advancement of individuals tended to prove that.

I think we had a happy accident with Crowther, Jowitt and TJ in that the set up they came through was not especially good but they were.

Now I think the set up is good and so are the players and from what I’m told the next batch has even more natural talent in it.

If you’re going down the grow your own route then it takes time and there will be false starts but persistence is everything. Even if this latest group isn’t the one the next one may be.

Of the two army Dave is the more interesting for me.

Minns is a straight up player, if his head is straight he will do a job but I don’t think he will break any pots. He probably peaked at HKR but you never know.

Army Dave could either be a complete waste of space or a terrace hero, he’s that kind of signing. Let’s be honest he’s a complete gamble, no real pedigree not even in Union so he’s hardly a coup on paper at least.

However he is big, looks quite fast and seemed fairly brave so there is something to work on. Also without making racial stereotypes these Pacific Islanders do seem to have a natural exuberance and self belief. Further fortified by a stint in the Army of a foreign nation, bound to make you grow up a bit. I’d be very surprised if he shows any lack of desire, ability, we’ll have to see. If he gets of to a good star I think that will help no end.

Wish them both luck but then why wouldn’t you.

I think Dave is exciting because he looks to be a very talented natural athlete. He won't be anything more than cover but I expect he will show real flashes of exciting play along with a good few errors. I think he will be great to watch in the reserves.

He won't have cost the world and this year is probably one were he will learn his trade in the reserves as he looked very raw against Leeds, but that was to be expected.

Few question marks over contracts at the end of the year and if he gets experience and develops he may well find himself starting on the wing in 2023 as he has the athletic potential, it's how the rest comes together that could dictate that.

I agree with all that.
Army Dave reminds me of Semi. He was very raw when he came but had all the attributes to be really good.
When he had Solomon's and Domic with him he developed into quite a weapon.

Get your point but Semi was a fair few rungs up from this lad, in fact by today’s standards he’d be almost marquee. He had played 16 times for Melbourne Storm when he joined us and had played RL most of his life. This lad is super raw and a fair bit older than semi was.

Savatabua is probably a better example?

Fair point.
Semi was very raw though. It surprises me looking back that he played for the Storm

He was another natural athlete who became a rugby player.

I think what was always underestimated about Semi was how awful he was to play against. He was a big lad and all elbows and knees. You were pretty much guaranteed to get hurt every time he carried the ball against you.

I think from what very limited stuff I have seen of him Dave is more compact and powerful. One thing that I think sets Dave apart from all the other wingers currently at the club is his speed off the mark.

We have some quick wingers no doubt, but I don't think there will be any quicker than him over 20/30m.

I don't claim to understand RU or its positioning but in his highlights video on Youtube, he's certainly on the wing in some games but on others, he is as far as I can see in the centres. As I say I don't claim to know anything about Union but in some games, he's clearly got two men outside him, one I assume is the FB? but the other looks and acts like a winger. No RL winger would be so far in field in general play IMO.

What I suppose I'm saying is that in Union he may well be a winger but he doesn't half look like a centre in RL terms, he can certainly draw his man and release a great pass but as I say I don't know.

He could still be on the wing from your description but outside centre isn't a million miles away from being a winger anyway so if the quality in the team is reduced he could have moved inside.
He has to start on the wing in rugby league and see where he goes in training.

Either way it can't be a bad thing.
The fact he's been through the forces implies he's resilient and physically fit, which will certainly be a bonus in our back line.

Wing and centre traditionally seem to be the two best cross over positions between the codes. What I'm wondering is that despite being primarily a winger in Union he was used as a centre a lot of the time. If so I think he could in time find his way into the centres as Bill did. That is the huge bonus of a reserve comp, that's the place to find out.

He’s definitely playing centre in some of the highlights. He is wearing 13 I seem to remember which is the outside centre who tends to be the pacey centre with the inside centre 12 being the one to get you over the gain line.

Edit just rewatched his highlights.

He is playing inside centre generally the crash ball gain line centre.

He also wears 11 and 14 suggesting he is comfortable on both the left and right edges.

Yep he definitely is and quite well. I know it’s only second string Union but he looks like he could play centre. In truth he will have a learning curve weather he goes for wing or centre, centres are currently rarer than wingers, I know where I’d concentrate our efforts.

on Davetanivalu, in the boxing day game and in the RU highlights... he looked suited to the greater involvement required from a League three-quarter.

For his first "proper' game of RL he seemed keen and willing to get involved... and in the highlights his involvement in set plays and crash balls highlighted a potential for league. I am no coach (well actually that's a lie as I am a qualified coach) but I like the look of him.


and he seems a nice guy!

If anyone is on LinkedIn follow Thomas Minns.

His post puts a very interesting and honest slant on his rugby career and issues he has had.

Very interesting indeed... especially as he seems to think he plays for Wakefield Trinity Wildcats

Will we ever get rid of that

Copy and pasted from LinkedIn -

I want to share a little bit about my journey. I am a professional Rugby Player.

2017 age 22 I lost my Mother through addiction. I battled with manic depression.

2018 I lost my Professional and promising Rugby career through addiction. I got diagnosed with Childhood PTSD, Depression and Anxiety.

2019 I lost my Grandfather who raised me from 6 years old with my Grandmother.

2020 I lost my Grandmother who was the closest thing I had to a mother.

2021 I played Rugby in the 2nd Division for the first time in 1065 days.

Now age 27 in 2022 I have recently signed a Professional contract with Wakefield Trinity! Back at the top level of the Sport I play.

Don't ever give up. No matter how tough life is there is always hope to get better. Mental Health is no joke! The best thing I ever did was go and seek help.

To anyone out there who is thinking of giving up please, please go and seek help. I look back now and I'm so grateful for the lessons life has taught me.

The most important thing for me on this is I stopped the Cycle and hopefully my children will grow up and have the best possible chance at life. Unfortunately my Mum never got the chance to do that and her pain just got passed on to her Children. In 2017 I couldn't see the next day never mind where I am now.

Everyday I wake up and count my blessings. I have a lovely Fiancée who stood by me through thick and thin and 3 beautiful children who I love dearly.

We are all human and we handle things differently, some better than others.....just remember asking for help isn't a sign of weakness it's a sign of strength.

I now have a business called MinnsMind where I go into Schools/Workplaces etc and raise awareness on Mental Health. I have done around 25 talks mainly in highschools to try and break the stigma around Mental health. The feedback from the students and staff is unbelievable. My aim is to get this story out there and help as many people as I can!

Good for him. That's a tough story and I hope he can make it a happier ending with us.