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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"It sounds more like Big Dave got away with being an exception when it wasn't compulsory because he brought a lot to the team and it was okay to ignore it, but now it is compulsory he is demanding to be still treated differently but isn't allowed to do so.
Uncomfortable or whatever, we are getting the game going for the benefit of the game, something that has provided him with an income, and for the sake of the British game, which has turned him from a fringe player at Cronulla to the main focus of a super league side. If he won't take one for the team, it won't bother me if he doesn't play in a Wakey shirt again.'"
Exactly how I see things.
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| Me too
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| What I said was one of them is not telling the whole truth. The question is when the use became compulsory did he ask for a smaller version if so then why was this not stated in the CEO statement. If he didn’t then the club need to confirm this and then we know who was being inaccurate.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"What I said was one of them is not telling the whole truth. The question is when the use became compulsory did he ask for a smaller version if so then why was this not stated in the CEO statement. If he didn’t then the club need to confirm this and then we know who was being inaccurate.'"
Why do they, who exactly do you think you are?
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"What I said was one of them is not telling the whole truth. The question is when the use became compulsory did he ask for a smaller version if so then why was this not stated in the CEO statement. If he didn’t then the club need to confirm this and then we know who was being inaccurate.'"
Perhaps some discussions stay behind closed doors?
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| I agree but it’s difficult to stay behind closed doors when one of the parties make a statement to the press. I and many others would not have cared if the statement had not referenced his standing down and the reason why, this was then followed by his contrary statement that he requested a smaller device which the club did not provide. If you are happy to accept everything on face value can I suggest to you that the earth is flat or that the moon is made of green cheese.
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| Quote ="vastman"Why do they, who exactly do you think you are?
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I was just about to write the same.
It baffles me.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"I agree but it’s difficult to stay behind closed doors when one of the parties make a statement to the press. I and many others would not have cared if the statement had not referenced his standing down and the reason why, this was then followed by his contrary statement that he requested a smaller device which the club did not provide. If you are happy to accept everything on face value can I suggest to you that the earth is flat or that the moon is made of green cheese.'"
Club: "you have to wear one of these now. It's compulsory, Dave"
Dave: "you know I don't like them. Get me a smaller one and I'll think about it. Until then, no."
Not sure the club needs to do anything. Wakey's top earner not doing his bit, as far as I see it. As he doesn't bring as much to the team as he used to, the club are right to reassess his demands and refusals.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"I agree but it’s difficult to stay behind closed doors when one of the parties make a statement to the press. I and many others would not have cared if the statement had not referenced his standing down and the reason why, this was then followed by his contrary statement that he requested a smaller device which the club did not provide. If you are happy to accept everything on face value can I suggest to you that the earth is flat or that the moon is made of green cheese.'"
Don't forget also you talk a load of rubbish I accept that old cocker
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| Quote ="Egg Banjo"The employer is legally required to make reasonable adjustments. In the case of the goggles analogy, this could include the use of other eye protection types or models, proving protective shields etc. As none of those were shown in the analogy, the sacked employee would win an employment tribunal for unfair dismissal.'"
Can I just remind you that you wrote the analogy
Health and Safety requires removal of the risk and if that is not possible a fully risk assessed alternative can be considered which could be a change in working practise, grills or shield along with PPE and they would have to cooperate 'reasonable adjustment' is not a method used in safety. Your goggles fearing chap would lose a tribunal, assuming he has the money to start it
Even though you have added a few extra bits to the initial post and the task before it escalated you still come up with the the wrong answer but his safety is paramount and if the only way to guarantee it is to remove him from the task so be it, no doubt they would seek to find another role in the company to suit someone with a fear of safety goggles.
As for 'reasonable adjustments' I am assuming you've picked this up from the Equality Act which requires employers do this for people who may need additional support in the work place be for people with disabilities.
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| The analogy is well and good to keep Scarlett happy but it doesn't apply in this case.
No one has been sacked so there is no tribunal
A better analogy would be that the employer said they couldn't do that job any more because it wasn't safe so asked them to work in the office for the same money.
The issue will be when the contract is up for review. No tribunal for not renewing a contract.
I hope we sort it all out amicably and Dave can get back to playing but at the moment he has made his position clear by not wearing the tracker.
Seems like a pointless point of principle to me.
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| Nothing stopping Dave or his agent releasing a statement. Isn't his agent Harrison? He's never short of an opinion on everything.
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| Quote ="RickK"Health and Safety at Work Act 1974 the employer has a duty to keep an employee safe and this would include providing PPE which is what the GPS tracker now is, an employee is required to cooperate with the employer. Every work place has the H&S poster even Trinity. Going back to your goggles analogy when the fool that won't wear goggles loses his sight from being hit by metal shavings who do you believe the Health and Safety Executive will be prosecuting.'"
It wasnt a very good analogy was it? Apologies
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| I see he’s up before the head and HR on Friday. I hope but don’t expect that they realise he is a cult amongst the Wakefield supporters who do not frequent this forum. What I expect is that they will agree for him to see out the season and allow him to leave because there will be no shortage of clubs looking to sign him.
The bottom line will as per usual be money, the club have made it a point on every occasion to state he is our highest paid player and I expect that they think he can be replaced by our London loanee who will warrant a much lower salary.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"I see he’s up before the head and HR on Friday.'"
Sorry...can you clarify this. I haven't seen this info.
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| Quote ="dboy"Sorry...can you clarify this. I haven't seen this info.
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CC has said it in his pre-match interview.
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| Quote ="BarnsleyGull"CC has said it on his pre-match interview.'"
Cheers. I shall look now.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"I see he’s up before the head and HR on Friday.'"
It doesn't say he's up before HR - it says he returns to training on Friday.
Are you reading something different?
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"I see he’s up before the head and HR on Friday. I hope but don’t expect that they realise he is a cult amongst the Wakefield supporters who do not frequent this forum. '"
I think the general feeling out there is that he is more of a Prima Donna these days. If he can be got back into the group he will have every chance of showing that there is still a valuable squad member in there somewhere.
If he leaves he leaves.
Can't say as any player leaving will ever have the same effect on me as when I heard Willie Poching had signed for Leeds.
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| I was using the analogy of a school with Carter being the Headmaster and the best I could think of for Chester was HR, I did think deputy head.
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| Quote ="dboy"It doesn't say he's up before HR - it says he returns to training on Friday.
Are you reading something different?'"
CC stated in his press conference that he and MC have a meeting with Fifita on Friday.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"I was using the analogy of a school with Carter being the Headmaster and the best I could think of for Chester was HR, I did think deputy head.'"
Why didnt you just say it as it was then??
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| Hi all, quick question. Is Fifita signed up next year for you? With Catalans apparently wanting him he could be trying to rock the boat to get out if he is contracted to you next year.
Does seem a proper dick move though
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"I was using the analogy of a school with Carter being the Headmaster and the best I could think of for Chester was HR, I did think deputy head.'"
That's a simile, not an analogy.
And it's utter made up .
I would go as far as saying it's a lie.
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| Quote ="dboy"That's a simile, not an analogy.
And it's utter made up rubbish.
I would go as far as saying it's a lie.'"
I agree completely. Busted Scarlet.
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