To be fair to Chester that's why he was brought to the club to stop the rot, your last sentence sums it all up about you the man and his tactics, no confidence.

OK then its obvious to me - and apparently others.....
....But I will not bad mouth players on here - unlike some posters.

Agreed, I think it is completely unfair to single out players when as Mopsey quite rightly points out they are collectively dreadful as a team at this moment in time.

Chester seemed happy to throw players under the bus, something that seems to have been creeping in in recent weeks, I think this is a reflection technique as he is completely out of his depth. It was only last week that he was "Proud of the lads for having a go" when they lost against half a Hull team... All of the things he addresses as not good enough ultimately all lie with him as the coach, whether you like it or not that is a fact - He has the responsibility for that.

That works both ways though. You can argue that the players should show him some respect, but how much respect has he shown the players?

Nobody could blame Carter for trying to safeguard the finances of his club but they can, in my view fairly, critique how he has gone about it.

If I remember rightly, Wakefield were one of the last clubs to agree a post-COVID pay deal, doing so against the backdrop of an unnamed player suggesting industrial action and Carter glibly dismissing the concerns of another who felt compelled to take a second job during lockdown? I also remember Carter making some questionable social media posts on the day of the player's union social media campaign and about people on furlough (despite most of his staff at the time being on the scheme) and, as you mention, the sinister "we will remember" remark. I honestly wouldn't blame anyone for not having the motivation to work for someone like that.

Yes, I get that professionalism and certain expectations to "get on with it" comes into it but if at the same time, you're not prepared to show respect to your employees, you have to accept that comes with consequences.

If there has been a breakdown in trust and the relationship between the players and the club management, Carter absolutely has to take responsibility for that.

Must be annoying seeing your lad work his balls off(seen his stats) while others are in a word lazy i get it at junior level so can only imagine its worse at the highest

Then if that is the case (and that's a big if) they should move on rather than take the money and not do the job.

In terms of pay cuts, it was that or the club couldn't survive. If any players thought that wasn't fair, their grievance isn't really with the club. The club couldn't possibly have prepared for the current situation.
They are effectively playing to keep their employer in business so they have jobs next year.

So lets look at the first try shall we..

We have Aidan Sezer supplying the pass to Chris McQueen...two players with collectively 20 years experience and over 300 games in the NRL...McQueen hit a great line off a nicely timed pass and ran straight through a teenager making only his second career start...how very big of you to call it out as woeful defence....

As I said, I don't blame Carter for taking care of the club finances and using pay cuts and deferrals as a way to do that, but I do think it is fair to question the way he went about it.

In situations such as this you have to bring people with you and show a degree of empathy. When you look at some of Carter's comments in the press and some of his social media posts, I think he lacks that.. The sinister "we'll remember those who objected" was a needless, stupid remark that, to me, showed that he didn't have that empathy. Suggesting to your employees that "their insubordination will be punished" is not how you win people to your cause. Maybe in the days of the dark, setanic mills, but not today.

The comments about Kershaw and the "I wish I was on what he was on at 21" comment was also an ill-judged remark that lacked empathy, as well as relevance.

I've worked for people who have displayed the sorts of behaviours and attitudes that Carter displays. These people are uniformally good at one thing and that is driving good people out of a business. Carter might think that he can get away with it because his rivals aren't recruiting, but he can't expect his approach to be without consequence.

I always feel like people are just reacting to bad results when they moan about effort but clearly sometimes you can see things on the field that don't look right.

I still say it is organisation and execution rather than fitness or tactics.

When you look at the stats we had players putting in a mountain of work. More than they should have to which is bound to affect the energy available when they need it later in the game.

If players miss tackles it looks like they are not trying hard enough. When they make 48 and then miss one, I don't think that it the case.
Westerman - made 36 missed 1 97.2% - 8 carries for 57 metres 2 offloads
Pitts - made 45 missed 2 95.7% - 7 carries for 48
Tanginoa - made 26 missed 4 =#FF000086% - 14 carries for 97 metres
Kopczak - made 33 missed 0 100% 10 carries for 82 metres
Battye made 48 missed 4 =#FF000092.3% - 21 for 144 metres
Crowther - made 48 missed 1 97.9% - 14 carries for 99 metres
K Wood - made 31 missed 1 96.8% - 2 carries for 41 metres
J Woods - made 31 missed 1 96.8% - 5 carries for 24 metres
Navarette - made 29 missed 3 =#FF000090.6% - 13 carries for 115 metres

There are a couple of things to look at but there is no lack of effort there, in fact you'd say Crowther, Kopczak and Battye were outstanding in both defence and attack. Pitts in defence and Navarette in attack have good stats too.

However, all that is wasted if when we get to the sixth tackle we just hand the ball over cheaply. Or when the ball goes wide we leave a big hole.
Gigot and Bailey have awful stats in defence. Bailey missed 9 tackles in total but did make another 20. He was stood next to Gigot who missed 5 and made 14. For me Gigot was the one Chester was talking about waving players through. Left Bailey vulnerable until they were moved around.
If Miller isn't available I'd still progress with Bailey and to be honest when he's back I think I'd play Miller at 7 to see how he and Bailey work together.

I still say our 1,6,7 and 9s are if not the issue, they are the fix that isn't working.
Doesn't matter what Chester asks them to do, if they are not finishing the set well or not organising the team properly, then the effort of the others are wasted.

If you put any other teams spine in our team, apart from maybe Hull KR and Salford, our backline would rain in tries. Tupou and Lyne make great yards when they receive a good pass, or even an average pass but so often they are simply taking the ball up from the back. BJB looks like he could get his form back too with 20 carries for 164 metres. (missed 3 tackles

The lacking empathy comment I agree with completely. For all his skills, social media and emotional intelligence aren't high on his list.

It’s not tiddlywinks or chess it was woeful defence I don’t care who he is or how old he is do your damn job and get off the line and by the way I mentioned no names,

Come on mate, he mentioned no names - It was woeful defence. Regardless of who the players were, there is probably a point that he should not have been isolated so easily, again comes back to the structure of our defence.

I'm not great at stats, but from my memory of the stats that Sky throw up, I make that 31 missed tackles and that sounds like an awful lot.

I know you love your stats PT but they don’t tell you the whole story

All the stats are from players who’s first responsibility is the middle channel, with the exception of Pitts.
Now far be it from me to decry the hard work done in the middle channel but with all due respect the largest number of tackles are always made in that channel and they’re often the most direct collisions and not a lot of evasion is present.

What those stats don’t tell you is how static were those players when it came to mapping out from the play the ball toward the edges as the attacks went wider. Maybe they did this or maybe not, experience of the last couple of hundred games would suggest they didn’t do this enough or with any consistency.

Only a thorough analysis of the defensive misses will tell you where the genesis of a missed tackle truly formed and who was ALSO at fault for it.

I agree some of those comments probably shouldn't have been made...neither should Chester's about players....these guys are under huge pressure though, something us as fans don't have on our shoulders...

Some criticism may be fair on both, but a lot is way over the top for me for two guys who are doing everything in their powers to make a success of things in very trying times and are just getting abuse all over the place....it's the unfortunate world we live in now with social media etc..

The supporters of this club have been extremely fair with carter and extremely fair with Chester, they have put money in let the club keep their season ticket money and stayed very loyal. Now it’s professional sport and you know it’s results based and 5 from 28 is not acceptable. We’ve been in decline for 18 months to 2 years and I don’t blame carter he’s giving Chester what he’s asking for but he’s not seeing what we need. We are getting older/ slower we can’t make ground we can’t make breaks and we’ve no pace in the pack. As any player improved in the last 2 years I can’t think of one. You see every team know if you can contain our pack we offer nothing than a pass to the left or a pass to the right it’s easy. I have to say the way we are playing at the moment and team selection it looks like the coach doesn’t know what he’s doing.

do you ever feel like when we are on our line or say in our 20 that we are going to defend it, I don’t our line defence as been shocking for 10 years or more. It’s all down to urgency to switch on and work hard and if you can’t your not fit enough

Static

I suggest you watch the game again, so the middle men drift out left and right every attack to cover woeful outside defence. They put agile players out there, you know the ones with a bit of pace, to cover that and it’s one of our Achilles heels at the moment.

A point of note for those of us who love their stats is that since the restart and the introduction of the new rules the tackle and meter counts have increased substantially across the board. What was a good set of stats in February now might not be as impressive as it was previously.

Never thought of that

you couldn’t write it

I don’t think you understood what I was saying BLM

I absolutely agree. Making 5 great tackles but waving the 6th one through is no good to anyone.
I'm interpreting stats that don't give the full story. For me it does show that we are doing too much work. Better execution reduces the number of tackles needed and missed tackles.
It's not a lack of effort think. Kopczak is a good example. His stats show good work with ball in hand but we can blast holes in the defense all the way up the field but when we get there we don't have the player to set our attack going or even put pressure on.

I believe that what you were saying was that majority of the middle men’s tackles were racked up by attackers running straight at them and with the restart in place this has been increased, but what I was trying to say was that there is a lot of defensive tackles occur in other areas and crucial tackles as well, not that the recent scorelines suggests that

To me it's significant that a lot of discussion on here is about our defence, which probably shows how woeful our attack is and that we're actually having to defend so much! Attack is the best form of defence they say - I wish I could see light at the end of the tunnel but without that onfield general, we all seem to realise we need, I can't see where improvement is coming from.,

omg we can’t make breaks, we can’t get field position and we can’t make ground