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| 1st, I am not a - " sack him now man". But, there comes a time when things are not working & it's too embarrassing to remain or continue in what's prevailing or occurring, as a man you have to say to yourself & be honest, the time may have come to say, I need to move on & keep some pride & self dignity, in my opinion, that time has reluctantly come !
I do however understand his position of employment & a wave for his family, so at what point do you continue with loss of all issues including being worthy of being employed again by others when they - the future possible employers see your poor performance !
All off which, needs to be resolved rather than continue on this course of deterioration & eventual ridicule of other clubs & supporters.
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| Having just listened to Cheaters interview, I feel I need to apologize for my previous possting, this being because, if as he says the players attitude is in the wrong place & some players even jumped out of the way of making tackles ! ??
Then there is something fundamentally wrong with the players & the root cause of this whole issue of not playing right ????
If it's about cut in wages, then it cannot be resolved with out more money ???
+ This will run next season !
Where do the players think this will end, no matter who is in charge - coaching ????
I fear for us now as a club ?????
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| Quote ="TrinTrin"Having just listened to Cheaters interview, I feel I need to apologize for my previous possting, this being because, if as he says the players attitude is in the wrong place & some players even jumped out of the way of making tackles ! ??
Then there is something fundamentally wrong with the players & the root cause of this whole issue of not playing right ????
If it's about cut in wages, then it cannot be resolved with out more money ???
+ This will run next season !
Where do the players think this will end, no matter who is in charge - coaching ????
I fear for us now as a club ?????'"
Some of the players need to take a good look at themselves, you can shout about players out of position till the cows come home but as people have said, rugby is a simple game, what I saw today and other games is so called professional players going through the motions and what really gets my goat is when they blame others for their poor performances and then even funnier get support on here, why these players need telling what to do for 80 minutes is beyond me, take the game by the scruff of the neck, organise and sort it out because some look like they have never played the game .
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| Quote ="TrinTrin"Having just listened to Cheaters interview, I feel I need to apologize for my previous possting, this being because, if as he says the players attitude is in the wrong place & some players even jumped out of the way of making tackles ! ??
Then there is something fundamentally wrong with the players & the root cause of this whole issue of not playing right ????
If it's about cut in wages, then it cannot be resolved with out more money ???
+ This will run next season !
Where do the players think this will end, no matter who is in charge - coaching ????
I fear for us now as a club ?????'"
If it’s down to money, then I think the majority of Trinity players would be in for a shock if they think there are clubs out there waiting to sign them up and pay bigger a bigger wage. Some club CEOs have been saying for months now, that come the off season, there could be up to 60 SL players without a club. If I was a player, I know I’d be putting in the effort to retain my team place. Our own club CEO is on record saying a few months ago during the wage reduction talks, , he won’t forget those who made things more difficult at that time. If the worst does come to the Trinity club, it certainly wouldn’t be MCs fault.
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| During pre-season I remember there was something going around about a senior squad member saying we’d struggle this year due to a lack of quality. Wonder if that attitude had spread.
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| He wasn’t wrong though if that’s the case. Recruitment as terrible with the exception of Pitts who’s had a good go. Mid season recruitment carried on along those lines. Gigot has 1 good game in 10 and generally can’t be d whoever he’s playing for, Kay doesn’timprove the squad, just fills a shirt, Battye the jury is still out as can’t really judge him yet but he’s coming on to a woeful and struggling team. Even the loan signing was uninspiring and I’ve never seen a winger take someone on the outside as much with zero chance of success. This squad wouldn’t even win the championship, some serious soul searching needs to be done and people need to be held accountable.
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| Players ducking out of the way of tackles?? If this is true then they want to spend a few days with people around Wakefield who have truely struggled during the last 5 months. People who have lost their businesses, NHS staff, construction lads scratting around for materials to try get jobs done for some money. These said people will have paid for season tickets to watch these Useless sacks turn in these kind of performances. Let’s face it, it’s a good job that the hard working people who pay their money to watch this rnt as rubbish at their jobs as this lot at the moment isn’t it.
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| Quote ="Big lads mate"Some of the players need to take a good look at themselves, you can shout about players out of position till the cows come home but as people have said, rugby is a simple game, what I saw today and other games is so called professional players going through the motions and what really gets my goat is when they blame others for their poor performances and then even funnier get support on here, why these players need telling what to do for 80 minutes is beyond me, take the game by the scruff of the neck, organise and sort it out because some look like they have never played the game .'"
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I am not disputing what you say. However when you suggest "organise it and sort it" I thought we were employing someone on a large salary to do just that. If its not his job to organise it and sort it, have you any idea why he is being employed. I dont know specifically which players you are refering to but I think its safe to assume they will have been recruited by the very bloke who is now pointing the finger at them.
You know much more about the game than me. In my simplistic world I was of the understanding that it was the responsibility of the head coach to put in training regimes and structures to get players in the right frame of mind so they enjoyed their sport and put their effort into their performances. Build their self confidence and self respect and get them to strive to improve their game. Then on match day for that two hours every week, they give it their all.
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| Quote ="Big lads mate"Some of the players need to take a good look at themselves, you can shout about players out of position till the cows come home but as people have said, rugby is a simple game, what I saw today and other games is so called professional players going through the motions and what really gets my goat is when they blame others for their poor performances and then even funnier get support on here, why these players need telling what to do for 80 minutes is beyond me, take the game by the scruff of the neck, organise and sort it out because some look like they have never played the game .'"
So which players are you saying are going through the motions and not trying
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| Quote ="MOPSEY LIVES ON"So which players are you saying are going through the motions and not trying'"
If you watched the game that would be obvious.
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| Quote ="BarnsleyGull"If you watched the game that would be obvious.'"
I didnt ask you and I did watch so deal in facts, anyway while your on enlighten me with your wealth of knowledge
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| Quote ="TrinTrin"Having just listened to Cheaters interview, I feel I need to apologize for my previous possting, this being because, if as he says the players attitude is in the wrong place & some players even jumped out of the way of making tackles ! ??
Then there is something fundamentally wrong with the players & the root cause of this whole issue of not playing right ????
If it's about cut in wages, then it cannot be resolved with out more money ???
+ This will run next season !
Where do the players think this will end, no matter who is in charge - coaching ????
I fear for us now as a club ?????'"
Chester has committed the ultimate sin as a coach hes thrown them under a bus, knifed them in the back and accused them of moving out of the way, respect gone
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| Does the Captain have a role in all of this? Not sure what influence a captain really has in this day and age though.
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| Quote ="MOPSEY LIVES ON"Chester has committed the ultimate sin as a coach hes thrown them under a bus, knifed them in the back and accused them of moving out of the way, respect gone'"
Agreed. Can’t see anyway back for him now.
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| Quote ="Uptoncat"He wasn’t wrong though if that’s the case. Recruitment as terrible with the exception of Pitts who’s had a good go. Mid season recruitment carried on along those lines. Gigot has 1 good game in 10 and generally can’t be d whoever he’s playing for, Kay doesn’timprove the squad, just fills a shirt, Battye the jury is still out as can’t really judge him yet but he’s coming on to a woeful and struggling team. Even the loan signing was uninspiring and I’ve never seen a winger take someone on the outside as much with zero chance of success. This squad wouldn’t even win the championship, some serious soul searching needs to be done and people need to be held accountable.'"
I’m satisfied by Westy, Green, Josh Wood and Pitts.
Lettuce hasn’t been terrible for us I don’t think. I haven’t fully decided on Walker yet, he needs more time.
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| Quote ="TheDreadnought"I’m satisfied by Westy, Green, Josh Wood and Pitts.
Lettuce hasn’t been terrible for us I don’t think. I haven’t fully decided on Walker yet, he needs more time.'"
So your satisfied with players who have taken us backwards, we can’t make ground and we can’t make breaks in the forwards, the team as gone backwards. Walker stupid signing better at the club, Gigot one good game in ten when the team is on top, Kay not as good as we’ve got, senior had a go but what was the point. No signing in the off season or recently as improved the team
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| Who’s lettuce? There were a few wet ones out there yesterday haha
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| Quote ="MOPSEY LIVES ON"I didnt ask you and I did watch so deal in facts, anyway while your on enlighten me with your wealth of knowledge'"
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| Quote ="BarnsleyGull"If you watched the game that would be obvious.'"
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| Quote ="MOPSEY LIVES ON"So which players are you saying are going through the motions and not trying'"
I’m not putting names Mopsey but you must agree that some out there are going through the motions over the recent games and could and should be doing better, wether that’s fitness, not playing for the coach or disgruntled with something else I don’t know.
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| Quote ="Big lads mate"I’m not putting names Mopsey but you must agree that some out there are going through the motions over the recent games and could and should be doing better, wether that’s fitness, not playing for the coach or disgruntled with something else I don’t know.'" Collectively the team is a shambles in every position on the field, they are unorganised and have shown no improvement in months, which players if any have kicked on to better things. It simply can’t go on our game plan from minute one is abysmal in fact some of our players look like they don’t know how to play. IMO this coach as taken this team as far as he can he’s getting nothing out of them and publicly humiliating them with idiot comments like there moving out of the way. If you noticed the first try yesterday we had the numbers and it was just woeful defence, Quite simply we Can’t defend and that is either poor technique or fitness. This coach is making GOOD players look bad
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| That first try is a prime example of what chezzy was eluding to in his post match interview
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| I’ve posted on numerous occasions about our defence.
Too many of the players don’t know how to work to a defensive system (if there is one), they’re not fit, strong or committed enough to win collisions consistently and they’re not fit enough to work as hard as you need to meaning some are stood still when they should be pushing out from the play the ball.
Our edge defenders are left with overlaps developing against them and they don’t know how to deal with it. They can’t discern when they need to jam in as a pair to kill an overlap or when to slide and let their inside defenders work across and help and perhaps most crucially they have no concept of folding a little and giving ground to their opposition so as to let the overlap develop and force the ball carrier to make a decision.
IMO team performances are built on defence, get it right and you win or deny momentum to your favour and the game is more now than ever decided by who owns the momentum during the match.
Attitude and commitment is key, as is communication but all are undermined by lack of understanding of the system or the absence of a system.
We’ve been a prime example of how not to defend apart from the one season when Kear had the defensive coaching duties
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| Quote ="financialtimes"That first try is a prime example of what chezzy was eluding to in his post match interview
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Chezzy is absolutely clueless, so players just take it on themselves to move out of the way, totally clueless for years how to defend our line, poor reads by the players is not moving out of the way, he should be ashamed of himself with that idiotic comment, basically saying they are bottlers
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| To be fair to chester though our defence on both edges has been porous for about the last ten years and it doesnt matter who weve put there hasnt made a blind bit of difference as a wakey fan could you honestly say if we were 20 up at home with 20 minures to go you were confident we still wouldnt throw game away i couldnt
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