I think king is good forward, does the job runs hard and straight and I totally agree re his game time. He’s 24 year old and he should playing the full game. It’s systematic of the game that players especially forwards have to be brought off after 20 minutes or 17 minutes and 4 seconds sometimes when they’ve hardly touched the ball or made a tackle, if big Dave and wood are our best players then it’s ridiculous to have them walking up and down the touchlines get them fitter and playing for 80. It happens at all clubs and I think we only play for 20 mins here and there as the intensity and have a grip on the game disappears.

I think Koppy and Fifita have played there best games when playing for long periods. PP played his best ever game for us against Cas when he did nearly a full 80. I do think all teams sub players for the sake of it. If a player is in the grove and wants to stay on then let him, it will be obvious to all when he’s had enough.

'No one has mentioned line speed in defence' well you have now, anything to added now that you have

I think the point is that our line speed in defence is usually poor, slow and doesn't match that of our opposition. How often do we see a match move with each set back toward our defensive 3rd? Which usually results in a try.

Refer to page 2 Adam, there was plenty of discussion on that topic

Either read the full thread or don't bother having input on it. FGS!

How on earth did we lose to Hull KR n all.

Sorry boss.