Remain uninformed and unwilling to engage in debate if you wish, that's your own choice, but please do bear in mind it's a message board.

Uninformed. Oh but I do wish I were as 'informed' as you, no, really

Dullard! An oft used term at chateau ginger bloke.
It's use here is quite apt Wildy.

Indeed it is.
A self proclaimed 'informed' Dullard no less!

I'm not uninformed and I wish I were at liberty to expose some of the truths regarding Halifax's application, it would certainly send some of the indignant Fax fans scurrying and the Fax Chairman would/will/does look rather silly.

There is no need for further debate the position has been more than adequately explained in numerous messages on this forum and the VT. If you can't grasp the situation aftere reading them, then there is no point in further debate.

I am with Vastman in that I am sick of ill-informed people from other clubs slagging us off at every opportunity. It was one of the reasons the championship didn't seem such a bad destination as someone else would then be the leper of SL.

Final points for you to consider, independent experts in various fields rated each application and they know considerably more about their respective professions than you or I. Your Chairman has consistently stated that we broke the rules in the last franchise, failing to acknowledge that the rule he was referring to was amended at the back end of last year after Crusaders went into admin.

His comments about our stadium were cringeworthy and as I have said before if he is a Solicitor, god help anyone he represents.

Ah, the old "I know but can't tell you" post.

Do you also know why the RFL told Halifax to get a case ready when Halifax were currently thinking of waiting until 2015?
Do you have the inside track on why the RFL went public in saying that, whilst Widnes were in, the Halifax bid was not dead in the water?

Please yourself fella, I don't really care!

But be careful how much vitriol you post because if/when the truth comes out you'll look very stupid!

At a guess I would suspect they were worried about both Crusaders and us and you were the insurance policy in case they weren't convinced our new owners could deliver.

I don't hear anybody from FAX acknowledging the fact that you were lucky to be given a second bite of the cherry, given that there was never any mention of this being a possibility in the lead up to you Widnes and Barrow submitting your franchise applications.

"Your" chairman?
Let me be clear, I'm a Leeds fan, I'm a neutral and just telling it how I see it.

The clear message around here is "Stop talking to us, we don't like it"

He already does!

Vitriol?
Don't be daft, robust debate is all it is.

Well if you can't see it from what's already been posted then as I said there is no point. You have even less knowledge of the position than the Fax fans and certainly less knowledge than the likes of the Clan (as far as our application was concerned).

The clear message, is were sick of going over old ground when all this has already been done to death. We as fans and the club are trying to look forward and therefore we don't want to read ill-informed comments from other fans and the Halifax chairman.

At last, someone with a bit of sense.


As I understand it, it's the other way round really, that Halifax were not going to apply this time but were encouraged to do so by the RFL.
Then, when they see Crusaders retracting their application at the very last second, they could be forgiven for thinking that the RFL have side-stepped the decision about Wakefield.

If debate it is then be prepared to accept that on certain important points you're wrong. I don't claim to be an insider but solely due to my whereabouts on Tuesday and the people I was in the company of, I was made aware of certain facts by people who are on the inside and I'm not referring to anyone at Wakefield Trinity.

The Halifax Chairman will no doubt go very quiet and on receiving feedback from the RFL might reflect with some regret his numerous outbursts.

Clearly if Halifax were the insurance policy for us, then the decision to keep us in based on input from independent experts should surely quash the whole argument. Halifax were only ever going to be in, if we didn't match up to the requirements and we did end of discussion.

But he would say that, wouldn't he?

He said that about Celtic Crusaders three years ago.

The same, maybe, but less?
No idea how you work that out.


This may be a fact but we have no evidence of it.
Do "the likes of the Clan" know about the content of Halifax's bid?
If so, how?


There you go again.
You make a decent point about it having been done to death (which I'll maybe take heed of) and then pop in an unwarranted bit about other fans being ill-informed.

So basically we can't win. Doesn't matter what is said it's all a lie. Bet if we had of lost our franchise you'd have been on here backing us up saying they would say that wouldn't they as we got demoted unjustly due to a tissue of lies as we Wakey fans saw it. Oh you wouldn't, what a surprise aren't certain fans very selective in their views - jog on

I don't get this at all. You're in. The merits of the system might be flawed as a flawed thing. But you made it.
If it were Fev I'd be over the moon and no amout of baiting, sniping, or embittered crapola from other fans (incl myself), would destroy the elation at the mo.

Give em the V's and move on.

True but we have a long history of being the lepers of SL and eventually it grinds - certainly doesn't take the elation away.

The clan is very well informed, he was at the club when the decision was announced, the only fan there I believe as the club was shut down at 10.30am. He has numerous connections in the rugby league world so trust me don't bother taking this any further as you could make yourselves look very silly indeed.

I don’t get the many coming on here lamenting the Trinity fans for biting back to the Halifax Chairman’s comments with the argument “How do you know what was included in Halifax’s bid?” The very same could be directed back to those very same people and the Halifax Chairman.

The simple fact is, Trinity are not an expansion club and have no reason to be in SL ahead of Halifax other than if their bid was superior.

By encouraging Fax to pass the criteria just to give the ' application ' process some credence , the RFL have shown themselves up for what they are again

Pathetic , and yes while the Fax Chairman is entitled to be upset , it is with the RFL and not yourselves he should show his anger , I have to admit I'm glad we hadn't ticked a box , because I would not have been happy if you had been placed above us

are you saying you can hold a grudge ?.....Who you?....... i don't believe it ?......... next time you'll be telling me milwards top of your Christmas card list.