The sad thing is that everything that is currently unfolding seems to be inevitable. I can think of a thousand different scenario's about how this will play out and none of them are good. Is it because we -as mankind- have been focusing on all the wrong things? I haven't yet seen any alternatives for a new society that provides hope. The psychopaths who are running the show have a vision of what they believe this world should look like. It's an ugly vision, but a vision nonetheless.

Excellent contribution to this thread. Good to see you've spent time researching this topic. I was beginning to think I was the only person who'd actually bothered to critically investigate this "pandemic". Keep it up, more people are waking up because the evidence is starring at them in the face. Only issue we face is the manner in which we expose this scam. Unfortunately the truth as bad as it is can frighten people more than the "deadly" virus. Just wish more GPs, medical doctors and nurses were "allowed" to speak out. Makes sense now why we employ so many overseas doctors. They are all told to follow orders and question nothing.

Another point did anyone bother to research what NHS Nightingale ExcCel centre in London was previously used for?

Im not going to micro dissect your post but, I may get back to you on some of the other points raised>

However, your comments regarding any party not being concerned about deselection (getting voted out), is absolute nonsense and I think costs a fair amount of credibility with the rest of your post(s).
I would suggest that EVERY party is concerned primarily about one issue - remaining in power and you comments about "them all being the same" is equally laughable.
The fundamental difference between the 2 main parties is that the Tories believe in keeping taxation lower and leaving people to fend for themselves, which their will be a swift return towards when they believe that the pandemic has receded sufficiently.
Labour on the other hand, fundamentally believe in larger state ownership, higher taxation and a centralisation of core utilities /services.
Politicians may all "be the same" but their politics are far from the same, it's a ridiculous comment.

I agree about the many "lost" industries but, if you take mining as an example, the industry was butchered for political reasons by the Tory government but, as I'm sure you are aware, pretty much all of the mining industry was in the North (plus South Wales) and there was very little political risk for the ruling Tory party - it certainly wouldn't have followed the same path/time scale had Labour been in charge.

More evidence this is a stich up led by the political elite. Anyone care to read the Guardian article regarding Dominic Cummings accused of conflicts of interest regarding the NHS. All connected to some kind of GP App. Makes sense i suppose as we do require one during a Pandemic. Big problem however the article was published on 11th October 2019 before this crisis. Can anyone on here explain what's going on? Smells like corruption to me.

Labour and Conservatives are best described as two cheeks of the same ass.

Quite right, history has a habit of repeating itself.
I watched a talk radio show this morning, they interviewed a black lives matter activist. This was possibly the most disturbing interview I have ever see. Judge for yourself everyone. I’m not very good posting links, so go to YouTube and type, Mike asks Black Lives Matter activist if they are proud to be British.
If this man does not disturb you, please tell me why not.

The company is 100% government department owned.
No shares allocated to any individual.

But, proven not to be true.
The Alice Cummings involved in the test and trace is NOT the same Alice Cummings that is related to Dominic



The smell that you have a whiff of, is more likely to be coming from your dog or socks.
Check the FACTS and try again but, be sure to keep up the level of hysteria, it's great

Quote ="Miro" An example, Now I don't personally know the validity of this but Matthew John David Hancock is a British politician serving as Secretary of State for Health and Social Care since 2018. A member of the Conservative Party, he was previously served as Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport in 2018 for six months.Wikipedia A copy of a page from 'Companies House' the date was 2016 where "Matt Hancock holds a 75% stake in a Pharmaceutical Company making vaccines". The company is: 'Porton Biopharma Limited'; company number: 09331560. Lets face it, WE HAVE THE BEST GOVERNMENT THE PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY CAN BUY. Worry about de-selection? They never did and never will. '" Miro, I presume you're aware of these new online fact checkers or the Online Thought Police that accredit something to be a fact or not. Well interestingly your assertion made against Matt Hancock has been denied to an extent. See the UKs Independent Fact Charity page: https://fullfact.org/online/hancock-supply-chains/ More interestingly if you search the author on twitter page, she's a vocal BLM sympathiser. Scary that we now have people with radical political views that are "allowed" to control the "facts".

Quote ="Miro" An example, Now I don't personally know the validity of this but Matthew John David Hancock is a British politician serving as Secretary of State for Health and Social Care since 2018. A member of the Conservative Party, he was previously served as Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport in 2018 for six months.Wikipedia A copy of a page from 'Companies House' the date was 2016 where "Matt Hancock holds a 75% stake in a Pharmaceutical Company making vaccines". The company is: 'Porton Biopharma Limited'; company number: 09331560. Lets face it, WE HAVE THE BEST GOVERNMENT THE PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY CAN BUY. Worry about de-selection? They never did and never will. '" Miro, I presume you're aware of these new online fact checkers or the Online Thought Police that accredit something to be a fact or not. Well interestingly your assertion made against Matt Hancock has been denied to an extent. See the UKs Independent Fact Charity page: https://fullfact.org/online/hancock-supply-chains/ More interestingly if you search the author on twitter page, she's a vocal BLM sympathiser. Scary that we now have people with radical political views that are "allowed" to control the "facts".

Quote ="wrencat1873"But, proven not to be true. The Alice Cummings involved in the test and trace is NOT the same Alice Cummings that is related to Dominic The smell that you have a whiff of, is more likely to be coming from your dog or socks. Check the FACTS and try again but, be sure to keep up the level of hysteria, it's great '" Are we discussing the same story? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... r-nhs-fund

Quote ="wrencat1873"But, proven not to be true. The Alice Cummings involved in the test and trace is NOT the same Alice Cummings that is related to Dominic The smell that you have a whiff of, is more likely to be coming from your dog or socks. Check the FACTS and try again but, be sure to keep up the level of hysteria, it's great '" Are we discussing the same story? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... r-nhs-fund

Quote ="MatthewTrin"Are we discussing the same story? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... r-nhs-fund'" Sorry, my bad

Quote ="MatthewTrin"Are we discussing the same story? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... r-nhs-fund'" Sorry, my bad

Wow, seriously troubled fool. Instead of preaching history lessons he should have listened to them

A dangerous individual.

Cheers, I posted out of frustration because of the clear lack of critical thinking or even just questioning this whole business on here.

No worries, it might be worth editing your original post so we don't confuse anyone.
I think the relationship scandal you might be referring to is the Warner brothers that made the news last month.
Ben Warner, a computer modeller has played an advisory role on the SAGE meetings.
His brother Marc Warner helped develop the NHS contact tracing app. Certain sections of the printed media have been critical of the connection between the Government and the NHS.

OK, if you say so. Just a point. Though she wasn't in power at the time, but she had the chance to be. The election before last, Mr Corbyns first, Mary Creagh came canvasing to my house. She
(not a Corbyn supporter) was full of the joys of spring, big smile on her face. I asked her if Labour had a chance of winning the general election under Corbyn. I kid you not, I'm paraphrasing here..Oh no she said, not a chance but vote for me (anyway) I always do the best I can for Wakefield. And with this she bounded of, still smiling broadly. I was gobsmacked.
The only thing I took from this was she was more interested in Corbyn being beaten than Labour gaining power.
Not the only conversation I have had with an MP but you see where I am coming from...yes?
Maybe I did generalize a little though and for that I apologize to all our wonderful MPs

As for Thatcher and the miners. She took a gamble did she not? Could easily have lost that battle and subsequently lost power. That was a very real threat. So I disagree, the Torys hold on power was nothing like a "little political risk" Hope some ex miners can back me up on that one.

Interesting job advert for the fact checkers or Philanthropy Officers as they're known. https://fullfact.org/about/jobs/philanthropy-officer/

Interesting job advert for the fact checkers or Philanthropy Officers as they're known. https://fullfact.org/about/jobs/philanthropy-officer/

From the company website:
Porton Biopharma Limited is a limited liability company, established in 2015, to commercialise the pharmaceutical development and manufacturing capabilities at the Porton Down site in Wiltshire that were previously within Public Health England.

Sorry, I do not fully understand company law but how can a limited liablity company be government owned.
?
Genuine question.

My question is, who is the independent auditor that checks these fact checkers?
Another question to consider, as a "charity" who are the list of donors to this company?

I saw a document after the strike, that was shown to the witch, that had all the main unions on it , NUM, Steel even fishing unions and she had been advised that the NUM were the biggest threat, this was obviously written down in greater detail and if the NUM was taken down the others would follow and the rest is history. She would have bankrupt the country before loosing fight with us. The closing of my pit and others mines were a trigger point to start the fall of the heavy industry allowing future generations to gradually think they are middle class in their offices and drift towards the tories and it’s turned out to be a huge success, my opinion mind you, but Wakefield is blue for the first time so there must be some truth in it. Of course it doesn’t help though with a scruffy boring sod like Corbin .

All correct, hardly a "little political risk"

THIS

June 04, 2020
.The for Countering Digital Hate has revealed that 649 posts were reported to Facebook and Twitter,
A spokesperson for the social media company explained: "We are taking aggressive steps to remove harmful misinformation from our platforms and have removed hundreds of thousands of these posts, including claims about false cures.
"During March and April we placed warning labels on around 90 million pieces of content related to Covid-19 and these labels stopped people viewing the original content 95 percent of the time.
"We will notify anyone who has liked, shared or commented on posts related to Covid-19 that we've since removed."
Meanwhile, Twitter said: "As we've said previously, we will not take enforcement action on every Tweet that contains incomplete or disputed information about Covid-19.
"Since introducing these new policies on March 18 and as we've doubled down on tech, our automated systems have challenged more than 4.3 million accounts which were targeting discussions around Covid-19 with spammy or manipulative behaviors."
Companies
Facebook,
Twitter
Y Tube

"Automated systems" We are being censored by a computer in our own country by an American tech company.

So, a tech company i.e. facebook, twitter, Y Tube etc.
have the knowledge to decide what constitutes a cure, not just for covid-19 but presumably for everything? Notice too, offering a cure or even an opinion that runs counter to the government laws and guidelines is considered HATE ???????

Sounds like a person that is speaking out of frustration of not being heard that has driven him to being radicalised. It's no different to white skin head culture or ISIS. Seriously sad to hear he feels that way, he holds such ridiculous views it make's me wonder who is behind spreading them.

Hi Miro
Theres nothing to prevent government (secretary of state for whatever....)being the ultimate holding company of a limited company or becoming a shareholder in a limited company (example Lloyds Bank).
So with Porton Biopharma 100% of shares are allocated to Secretary of State for Health.
Highways England - 100% of shares are allocated to Secretary of State for Transport.

Porton Biopharma is just one company of the group,including NHS Property Services Ltd and Community Health Partnership Limited,but ultimately all feed back into the ultimate holding company - Secretary of State for Health (Government).

Not sure if that helps or confuses..

But they still allow people to debate nonsense like the existence of the Lockness Monster or a Flat Earth. Unbelievable.
Wish Julian Assange was still on the scene so we could expose this lot.