Foundations built on sand. Things looked good but underneath it all they weren't. Ultimately Andrew Glover did not have the capital to fund a SL club and short term progress has come with a potentially long term cost due to the decisions made by the previous CEO.

Ah Red John, you might have just started a thread that would continue for a hundred pages but to try and put it in a very short story

We had a board that tried to do a good job over a number of years and because finances were low, probably tried some risky moves (that no one knew about) and ended up in Admin
Looked like some things were poorly run but it wasn't seen until after admin and of course everybody has a masters degree in hindsight.

Then someone came in who had been a shirt sponsor and took over. They were all about clarity and 100% marketing. It worked really well and the crowds went up and the team got better. Some said it wasn't all good but the new guys were very convincing so we all lapped it up.
Unfortunately they were also gambling with money they didn't have and it all fell apart again......just quickly this time as they had been slightly more open about what they were doing.
There were some special circumstances that didn't help like sponsors going bust but ultimately they were speculating on big crowds with cheap tickets which reduced the income.

Now we have someone who has stepped in with accounting skills that looks like (but not everyone agrees) being able to balance the books. Unfortunately because confidence has been sapped by the group that marketed big and convinced us we were all golden, he can't get the money through supporters season tickets so is having to off load some of the bigger wage bills to get us to teh balanced position.

How good a quality of team we will end up with once balanced is a hot subject but only time will tell.

Income = Y, Expenditure = Y x 2
Simple bad management (although not noticed by one of our more vocal posters) at the time sadly or he could have raised the alarm for us.
Where it went and on what nobody really fully understands but basically what we are presently reaping; was sown over the last couple of seasons.

has tha seen Danny's?

terrible effort. I just thought he had a runny nose.

I've always a spare ten bob for you Mr Khalash

Thanks for the replies guys.

Basically, it seems Wakefield went down a well-trodden path. Unfortunately, the pressure is always on to go down that route, with fans demanding success and believing that that success will bring more fans and therefore more success. John Wilkinson at Salford always tried to keep expenditure close to income, but ended up being criticised for it by one section of fans (you'll never guess who one of them was) who subscribe to this 'you've got to speculate to accumulate' garbage, which is always easy when it's not your money you want to speculate with. In the end they speculated on the new stadium bringing in crowds of around 8000 and budgeted on that basis. Crowds turned out to be around 5500 and we went down the pan.

It's becoming more and more apparent that pretty much the only way to achieve any form of success in team sport (not just RL) is to have a wealthy backer that's prepared to invest in kick-starting the process, like Simon Moran at Warrington.

Good luck for the future.

Good old Danny!

Hey what you don't realise is your going to end up costing your club financially asking stupid money for Kirmond, he's not even an international, I know you've been offered 2 times his market value and yet the pound signs in your eyes still keep flashing, you end up losing a really good deal by being greedy, but GT it's your job to save YOUR club if you fail YOU will be held responsible.

Red league sent me the above

Just for the record, I haven't asked for any money, never mind stupid money.

Love it, no really some people!!!

sorry Daddycool, you must have that wrong!!

theres plenty on here that know better than you

btw....most fans are behind you, were dissapointed but behind you

There were a lot of people behind Julius Caesar in the end.

Cringe. What a buffoon he is.

You can't talk about Daddycool like that!

I've seen it all now, anyone else see the irony?

Stirrer!

RED LEAGUE wrote:
So carter does want more money?



I just knew it!

It beggars belief that any Salford fan (or one calling himself a Salford fan) would continue to behave in this cringingly obnoxious manner.
After the turmoil we went through this time last year culminating in the 11th hour rescue by Dr K you'd think everyone would show just a little humility when speaking to other clubs owners and fans - I know a few other true Salford fans have already posted but I'd just like to wish you the very best of luck in finding a way out of your current difficulties - I always look forward to my trips to Wakefield (not least for the food and ale in the King's Head at Heath

) long may they continue.

Christ almighty - I did say some while ago that Red John was a moron with no credibility on his own board, let alone this one; he has however managed to trump even his own previous stupidity with that PM to MC; it beggars belief!

I'm hurt now, although I will admit to being a moron with no credibility.

Just isnt your day is it?




It must hurt to be mixed up with Red League!

Good man thats the spirit

Oh for =#FF0000 EDIT sake! Can it get any more embarrassing. Does he really think such an illinformed personal message to an opposing clubs chairman is going to seal the deal? I can just imagine Michael Carter thinking "oh go on, since you've sent me such a message I'll sell our captain and best player".


=#FF0000Swear filter.

El Rey.

It's evident that there appears still to be significant interest in Kirmond who only 2 years ago couldn't get a contract with Huddersfield. This is despite his omission from the World Cup.

He has found his niche in the second row at WTW and should have at least been in the England Knights Squad, playing for a struggling small club went against him probably. However if there is anything near £200,000 being offered for him (not £100,000)I believe it MUST BE TAKEN but the reaction from the fans needs to be managed with some quality bargain basement players coming into the club at the same time through the revolving door. Problem is if Kirmond gets injured in a game and is out for the season then thats the big investment potential lost.

If it's to clear debt and nothing else then I would not want to even think of the reaction from the fans who are mostly extremely disheartened by the same old depressing story at Wakefield Trinity Wildcats of 'mismanagement and things will now change' messages when they in fact don't and assets are just sold off.

Question for M Carter

Have we got to the stage with all the player sales or you and the board putting in cash

We are keeping D.K.?

We dont need to sell?
We wont sell?
Or we havent any offers to buy so we dont have to make a decision?

Come on get real.

DO you really want daddy cool to post on here such confidential information to weaken our bargaining position. Bradford and London are it as much as a hole as we are, ask the same question on their message boards see what replies, if any , you get.

Come on then Daddycool, it's clearly all your fault that Danny Kirmond is still here when we could let him go to Salford for a reasonable price. You really need to give your head a shake and get it done.
Don't want to upset old Red League do you? He'll send his kindergarten teacher round to have words with you if you don't get on with it soon.


Seriously, I would be embarassed to share a stadum with Red League and can only offer all the rest of the Salford fans my deepest sympathy.