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| Quote ="bren2k"You're making a tit of yourself now Billy old chum.'"
I would suggest he is actually reinforcing the fact he is a tit to be honest
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| Quote ="Uptoncat"No need to justify anything. Our bid was deemed stronger than both yours and Crusaders. Feel for you guys for getting your hopes up, its the fault of the rfl for keeping you hanging on, they should have said better luck next time when Widnes were awarded a place. I agree our promises must be kept, so must Quins, Cas and Salford. Should they not then you and possibly Leigh and Fev will be banging on the door demanding entry, and rightly so. Its not the fault of Wakey or our chairman, we've done what we needed to do to get our license renewed. People believed the hype created by the media that we were gonners but in true wakey style we bounced back and proved the doubters wrong. You as a club need to carry on building and work on the areas where you failed in your application, remember a license can be revoked at any time and should a club fail to deliver you must be ready to take over their place at the top table. For me you should have come up anyway and the league should have expanded but thats one for another day.'"
Build on what??? we ticked the boxes we needed to tick to be in your league, there is nothing else to work on.
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| Quote ="Nat (Rugby_Aholic)"Championship teams, apart from Widnes, are not allowed a scholarship team.'"
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| Quote ="faxtastic"Yes but our application is never going to be stronger is it, we dont get as much sky money, '"
And that is where you are fighting the wrong fight. It is illogical that a side with a stronger application should be relegated in favour of a weaker one. That would make the system a joke. Kear made the same point earlier in the season, that they have said that the 14 best applications win but then promised a berth for a championship club, which had no logic to it, because they had no idea if it was one of the best 14 applications.
If, however, you are saying that franchising is skewed in favour of the super league clubs, and that the franchising system is divisive and dysfunctional, to quote someone else, you'll get no argument from me. It has held us back massively in the last eighteen months, because no one would sign for us. JD made the point on Radio Leeds towards the end of last season.
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"And that is where you are fighting the wrong fight. It is illogical that a side with a stronger application should be relegated in favour of a weaker one. That would make the system a joke. Kear made the same point earlier in the season, that they have said that the 14 best applications win but then promised a berth for a championship club, which had no logic to it, because they had no idea if it was one of the best 14 applications.
If, however, you are saying that franchising is skewed in favour of the super league clubs, and that the franchising system is divisive and dysfunctional, to quote someone else, you'll get no argument from me. It has held us back massively in the last eighteen months, because no one would sign for us. JD made the point on Radio Leeds towards the end of last season.'"
I think this post pretty much puts the argument put forward by Steel and the odd miffed 'Fax fan to bed
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| I suspect that the Halifax Chairman, unlike anyone on here, knows exactly what boxes his club ticked, hence the sense of outrage.
Of course, the RFL could have called a press conference today, and nipped any aggrieved feelings in the bud by explaining their decision, and allowing publication of all Clubs applications.
Did I miss it?
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| Quote ="BillyRhino"I suspect that the Halifax Chairman, unlike anyone on here, knows exactly what boxes his club ticked, hence the sense of outrage.
Of course, the RFL could have called a press conference today, and nipped any aggrieved feelings in the bud by explaining their decision, and allowing publication of all Clubs applications.
Did I miss it?'"
I suspect that the Halifax chairman, like most on here, knows feck all about what boxes WTWRLFC ticked, hence his sense of outrage is misplaced and silly
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| Quote ="faxtastic"Build on what??? we ticked the boxes we needed to tick to be in your league, there is nothing else to work on.'"
Sort your Junior setup out, attract more speccies - If you had been pulling say 4k and had a full u16's - u23's set up then i'm sure you would have beaten us comfortably to the license - especially with your stadium.
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| Quote ="TrinityIHC"Sort your Junior setup out, attract more speccies - If you had been pulling say 4k and had a full u16's - u23's set up then i'm sure you would have beaten us comfortably to the license - especially with your stadium.'"
No they wouldnt, because WE went the third last placed franchise, they would have beaten someone else.
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| Quote ="Schunter"I suspect that the Halifax chairman, like most on here, knows feck all about what boxes WTWRLFC ticked, hence his sense of outrage is misplaced and silly'"
and you base this on your insider knowledge?
I suspect, that you my friend were so confident that WTWRLFC ticked all the boxes, that your winnings from the bookies will be getting delivered by armoured truck!
No, really.
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| Quote ="BillyRhino"icon_biggrin.gif and you base this on your insider knowledge?
I suspect, that you my friend were so confident that WTWRLFC ticked all the boxes, that your winnings from the bookies will be getting delivered by armoured truck!
No, really.'"
Unsurprisingly, given you are a silly billy you have misunderstood the thrust of my post. Not that I give a rats
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| Quote ="BillyRhino"I suspect that the Halifax Chairman, unlike anyone on here, knows exactly what boxes his club ticked, hence the sense of outrage.
Of course, the RFL could have called a press conference today, and nipped any aggrieved feelings in the bud by explaining their decision, and allowing publication of all Clubs applications.
Did I miss it?'"
Some of the applications were 600 pages plus, containing sensitive information, which cannot be divulged to the masses.
Fax’s main beef regarding Wakefield was their assumption that, by going bust, they had broken the terms of the licence. If the Crusaders hadn’t gone bust last year, this would have been the case, however, as they did, the RFL moved the goalposts to protect their sacred cow by removing the stipulation.
The only way, under this system, of a Championship club being elevated to SL is either, one of the current incumbents are booted out / go bust, or, they increase the number of teams. Fax’s chance went when they lost out to Widnes.
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| Quote ="Schunter"Unsurprisingly, given you are a silly billy you have misunderstood the thrust of my post. Not that I give a rats booty'"
You have a thrusting post? I'd get some ointment on that before it turns nasty.
After you've popped down the chemist have a look at the Devil's Advocate posts, he should be able to give you a quick lesson in reality.
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| Quote ="TrinityIHC"Sort your Junior setup out, attract more speccies - If you had been pulling say 4k and had a full u16's - u23's set up then i'm sure you would have beaten us comfortably to the license - especially with your stadium.'"
set up a junior set up with what??? we have an U23's but we are still trying to raise the money to pay for it just this season alone.
Attract more speccies??? for what to come and watch 20 freindlies a season yeah thats going to happen.
i can see the advertising now. come down and pay £15 to come and watch your local team play a game that is going to mean nothing at the end of the season.
its not really going to work, god knows who you will get next time. because noone in the championship can increase crowds because anyone that isnt already a fan isnt going to come and watch a meaningless game
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| Quote ="faxtastic"set up a junior set up with what??? we have an U23's but we are still trying to raise the money to pay for it just this season alone.
Attract more speccies??? for what to come and watch 20 freindlies a season yeah thats going to happen.
i can see the advertising now. come down and pay £15 to come and watch your local team play a game that is going to mean nothing at the end of the season.
its not really going to work, god knows who you will get next time. because noone in the championship can increase crowds because anyone that isnt already a fan isnt going to come and watch a meaningless game'"
And that in a commendably brief nutshell is why 'licensing' is brilliant for those with a license BUT squeezes the life and soul out of the tiers below SL. BRING BACK P & R!!!
If a team due to be promoted is woefully shy of required standards - give 'em some of the money from the team that should have been relegated (I'd suggest 20%), match it from the RFL (they must be awash with stuff if they can chuck 700K down the Wrexham plughole) and give them chance to improve.
Forget the 'expansion' rubbish for SL - drive expansion by encouraging the Championship and Leagues 1 and 2, SL should be for teams that have earned their place.
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| I feel for all championship fans, we really have to end this farce soon and get back to p & R, initially I was against it but eventually got talked round but I have seen enough already thanks.
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| Quote ="inside man"I feel for all championship fans, we really have to end this farce soon and get back to p & R, initially I was against it but eventually got talked round but I have seen enough already thanks.'" there is a way of helping the championship in the promotion and relegation if it was to return and that would be to give them one years grace to get up to scratch.
I thought that with the reduction to the Academy age level in the super league would help the skill level in the championship raise but I'm not sure its taking effect, maybe this is due to the wage level and players are now having to find work to supplement the wage,
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| Give them a free reign on the salary cap providing they show that they can supply the finance for it, this should in theory make it easier for them to attract investment thus allowing them the chance to grow, go back to p and r with minimum standards, that way everyone is happy.
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| Quote ="inside man"Give them a free reign on the salary cap providing they show that they can supply the finance for it, this should in theory make it easier for them to attract investment thus allowing them the chance to grow, go back to p and r with minimum standards, that way everyone is happy.'" that would really split the league 4-5 clubs at the most
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| For me we have to go back to p and r in some form, there must be a sporting pathway to the top.
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| Quote ="faxtastic"set up a junior set up with what??? we have an U23's but we are still trying to raise the money to pay for it just this season alone.
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its not really going to work, god knows who you will get next time. because noone in the championship can increase crowds because anyone that isnt already a fan isnt going to come and watch a meaningless game'"
And that is exactly why you haven't got a franchise - A club with no junior setup and 2500 crowds!
I admit that we have escaped by the skin of our teeth, but you are so far behind even us (admittedly due to the gulf between SL and the national leagues) - you will be struggling. However I still think there are more spectators to be squeezed out of Halifax - where are the missing 3500? Get them back and you may have the key to unlock the SL door. How are the games meaningless anyway if there's the league title and Choo-Choo cup to play for?
It is a shame, I really like Halifax - fantastic day out, great stadium, friendly locals and good beer but they need to up their game.
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| I sincerely doubt we will see a 3,000 + attendance in the Championship next season , and probably only a few above 2,000 when Leigh ,Fax,Fev and Barrow play each other
I was looking forward to playing you lot , now we might end up with a poor Crusaders team instead , at this moment we have 9 teams in the Championship , giving us 8 home league games a season
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| Quote ="Starbug"I sincerely doubt we will see a 3,000 + attendance in the Championship next season , and probably only a few above 2,000 when Leigh ,Fax,Fev and Barrow play each other
I was looking forward to playing you lot , now we might end up with a poor Crusaders team instead , at this moment we have 9 teams in the Championship , giving us 8 home league games a season
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I think this will be a major issue for championship clubs in the forthcoming seasons. The league has just lost Widnes which had one of the bigger travelling supports as well as Toulouse and at best will gain Crusaders who will bring next to nobody. Thats if they carry on which is doubtful. There is also likelly to be a drop off from Halifax in the immediate aftermath of licensing and if games are not on sky then exposure for sponsors lessens, thus meaning less revenue there. Even if Premier Sports get thew deal then they aren't going to be able to pay much for the rights, they aren't a big enough company. There could be some major financial headaches for some clubs in the lower leagues unless the RFL breathes some new life in the competition pretty soon.
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| Quote ="Starbug"I sincerely doubt we will see a 3,000 + attendance in the Championship next season , and probably only a few above 2,000 when Leigh ,Fax,Fev and Barrow play each other
I was looking forward to playing you lot , now we might end up with a poor Crusaders team instead , at this moment we have 9 teams in the Championship , giving us 8 home league games a season
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I thought they were revamping the whole championship set up.
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| You're right starbug, championship could do with a major rebranding and new tv deal. Rfl should be looking hard to find new sponsors and trying to sell tv rights that get closer to super league, that way it's not such a bigger gulf to go from champ to sl. In reality we need 2 full time leagues but is this sustainable in our game?
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