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| Quote ="altofts wildcat"So to cut a long story short the usual guff lapped up by the Rose Tinted Brigade. Comments about Carter getting a round of applause literally says everything you need to know about how idiotic some of our fans our. The guy is leading us into oblivion and people are either to stupid or blinded by loyalty to see it.'"
Give it a rest FFS.
We wouldn't even have a team or club now.
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| Quote ="Kettykat"Just goes to show ,treat all gossip and hearsay as just that , until it comes out of the horses mouth .'"
I get it, which is why I held off, but when more than one person mentions it to you, all of which post on here, it does make you think.
Also, like I mentioned, I think any takeover of any kind, would be announced through the channels of a club statement.
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| Quote ="Kettykat"A strange one who is one of our biggest sponsors at present but was our biggest enemy at one time is yorkcourt /and a building firm I forget the name of ,they are sponsoring us I’m think in the region of £300,000 for 5 years if I heard correct , please jump in if I got that wrong but it certainly raised eyebrows in the room when JM came out with it .'"
Was that Henry Boot?
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| Quote ="altofts wildcat"So to cut a long story short the usual guff lapped up by the Rose Tinted Brigade. Comments about Carter getting a round of applause literally says everything you need to know about how idiotic some of our fans our. The guy is leading us into oblivion and people are either to stupid or blinded by loyalty to see it.'"
So instead of guff how about you clearly state what you wanted the club to say?
Also, did you attend and ask the relevant questions you wanted answers to or submit them through correct channels?
You are making this about Carter and singling Carter out. That tells me you have an ace to grind with Carter and that is not the purpose of the forum.
Calling fans stupid because of your dislike for Carter and them not sharing your opinion is a poor attitude to take in my opinion.
It’s not blind loyalty. I’m not happy with where we are and things haven’t gone the way we as fans or the club wanted it to. It’s been acknowledged on many platforms.
I don’t want the club to procrastinate over it. I want them and the players to address it and turn it around. It’s clear there’s a willingness to do that from the club.
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| Quote ="PopTart"I know this is long but I thought it was worth including all the detail I could remember.i
Firstly, it was good to see it was a full house. So some nice takings at the bar and from those that ‘controversially’ needed to pay the £10.
JM did the first part then we had a pie break, then Mash, Ford and Carter did a session where they took questions.
The first bit from John was a bit of a surprise but I was really glad he did. He welcomed everyone and said we were all welcome, but then explained some things aren’t welcome. That being abuse of players and staff. He then gave examples where someone had posted a video where he criticised Carter and finished saying he hope he died. Its quite shocking that people think that’s ok, in any situation but ridiculous about someone at a sports club.
He also explained about someone being blocked on Twitter after using abusive language about our disability team. Again, who does that these days?
The last one was the guy who threw the smoke bomb at Cas. They have been banned for life. Personally I’m really glad we took a strong stand on that. There will be some who don’t get it but if we are ever going to stop people doing it, that is the way.
He then went through strategy for the club, with the tag line that we are still targeting Super League survival this year and we think it is still within our control to do so.
He put a few slides up to explain the financial position of where we were when we had winding up orders, how we progressed and then how we are handling the vastly reduced Sky income over the past couple of seasons.
He finished by saying they are aiming to get £500k a year out of the new stadium, which would plug the gap left by Sky money.
He explained the IMG breakdown and he took a couple of questions to clarify that. Carter explained later that he hopes the Academy and other teams will be a minimum criteria to stop the likes of Salford skipping that cost and spending it on a Brodie Croft.
He also made a point that they very much care about the club and although not everyone agrees with every decision, the decisions are made in the best interests of Wakefield Trinity
I can’t remember any other big questions apart from Richard from RW&B asking about the club shop location. They fancy having a better shop at the ground but are working with Ridings management about the club shop in town too.
And a question about the western terrace and south stand. John explained they would have liked to do Western terrace, with an extended roof across the whole section but that it would be over a million and that they decided to concentrate on the North stand instead as it was more of an issue. South Stand (block of flats) will remain as it is a good view and a good money earner. The seats in front they haven’t decided but at they are rented they would only be necessary if we start filling the new stand which has over 2,500 seats. He said away supports would be in the new stand at south end, and pay a higher price to sit there.
After the break (again, there were loads of pie for everybody and it was really nice) Mash, Fordy and Carter took the stage for questions about the playing side.
Mash did a little introduction to explain that he’ll answer any questions but couldn’t get into any personal questions about players. Which I think was fair enough.
One of the first questions was about Corey Hall. It was a bit of a s question but Mash handled it really well. Effectively he said what he’d already said but that we needed a fullback and all other avenues were turned down. They tried for Shaul and Escare but were turned down flat. Hull KR knew we needed someone and said they wouldn’t take cash, only Corey Hall. So although they knew they were being played a little bit, they decided to take it as fullback was causing us a problem and we were covered at centre. The person who asked the question pushed a bit about Kay filling the role but both Mash and Carter explained that was just not tenable. They praised Kay for stepping in but just the fact that he dropped so much ball in the game he covered, leaving us exposed, indicated they needed to make a change.
They talked about Gale being a good influence on the club and that they wanted him to play but with Smith playing so well against Warrington, its made the decision really hard this week. They explained that Smith was still developing and they knew he was going to improve slowly through the season rather than just jump straight in at the top.
He didn’t actually confirm who would play tonight but we’ll find out soon enough. They said they decide who kicks on a weekly basis rather than allocate it for the season and the players make that decision between them in training.
Someone asked why we didn’t go for Gale at the beginning of the season and they explained it was a cost issue. He isn’t at the same price now that he was then.
There was also a question about Ashurst and whether he was right to be captain which created a lot of discussion about leadership. They said they were happy with Ashurst but that they wanted more leaders in the team and Gale was a part of that. They used examples of last year with the number of leaders in Miller, Fifita, Arona and Batch mentioned and Mash talked about the leaders in the team when he played like JD, Solomona, Domic. They want to get back to that but that it is a long process to develop that. But he is trying to do that by changing the culture a bit.
The was a question about why we are not playing the kids like Windrow, which Mash explained by saying you can’t just throw them in if they are not ready. He explained that even Wigan dipped when they tried to play too many kids at the same time and he didn’t have the team to support them at the moment, but was full of praise for Pratt and Law saying they would be massive in future.
Someone tried to have a dig about Max Jowitt after he was talked about so much as being the missing link but it wasn’t well received by the room. Mash looked quite baffled when they said his defence wasn’t good enough and tried to explain all the different jobs the full back has to do in modern rugby but they guy didn’t get it.
They explain the Shaw and Croft issue and said they would continually review whether it was still worth paying them but it was there to protect our academy players and didn’t want to be seen to cave and invite people to just come and take what they liked. We have kept their registration but they could only play for us if they accepted a new contract, which they haven’t so far.
Question was raised about MC’s replacement at the end but they said they would be able to confirm at the end of the month. John explained it was not a like for like change and that the roles would be slightly different.
There were a few compliments about Carter from the audience which got a good round of applause, probably in response to the grief they explained at the beginning.
Personally I thought it was really good, without being ground-breaking news. I haven’t changed my mind about Mash. He is the guy to take us forward, whether its in Super League next year or not.'"
Nice one. Thanks for that. I agree with everything in that report except the Hall issue. My view is that swapping Hall for Dagger and obtaining an OK full back, was highly unlikely to get us any league points. Better to take that situation on the chin and play kay, no matter what his shortcomings at fb. But its done now. Everything else is bang on and, no matter how much the perennial bellyachers moan, this is our reality as a club and solvency trumps all in the grown up world
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| Quote ="altofts wildcat"So to cut a long story short the usual guff lapped up by the Rose Tinted Brigade. Comments about Carter getting a round of applause literally says everything you need to know about how idiotic some of our fans our. The guy is leading us into oblivion and people are either to stupid or blinded by loyalty to see it.'"
If only you'd gone so you could ask your hard hitting questions.
The fact that the whole room responded shows you don't understand the question.
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| Quote ="altofts wildcat"So to cut a long story short the usual guff lapped up by the Rose Tinted Brigade. Comments about Carter getting a round of applause literally says everything you need to know about how idiotic some of our fans our. The guy is leading us into oblivion and people are either to stupid or blinded by loyalty to see it.'" yes the usual grovellers who hang on the messiahs every word, I know let's play the victim again and get my toe nails cut and hair combed by the golden girls. Oh let's not forget he saved the club ten years, he could of lost his house and put all his family on the street because people just come in and do that for a club they don't support. Not having none of his sob stories
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Yes I think it was
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| Quote ="MOPSEY LIVES ON"yes the usual grovellers who hang on the messiahs every word, I know let's play the victim again and get my toe nails cut and hair combed by the golden girls. Oh let's not forget he saved the club ten years, he could of lost his house and put all his family on the street because people just come in and do that for a club they don't support. Not having none of his sob stories'"
You had your chance last night to have your say , like the rest of us but chose not to , here is not the place to have a dig at people who may not agree with your views how the club is run , it was last night like I did what I asked why it’s taken so long to get a decent competitive game out of the players .
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| Quote ="Kettykat"You had your chance last night to have your say , like the rest of us but chose not to , here is not the place to have a dig at people who may not agree with your views how the club is run , it was last night like I did what I asked why it’s taken so long to get a decent competitive game out of the players .'"
Oh but apparently it is the place if you want to have a safe dig from behind a keyboard and not give any logical reason for your hate.
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| Quote ="MOPSEY LIVES ON"yes the usual grovellers who hang on the messiahs every word, I know let's play the victim again and get my toe nails cut and hair combed by the golden girls. Oh let's not forget he saved the club ten years, he could of lost his house and put all his family on the street because people just come in and do that for a club they don't support. Not having none of his sob stories'"
Glad you appreciate he saved the club.
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| They say they have the best interests of the club at heart but keep a coach who plays the worst rugby in SL, would rather play other clubs youngsters than ours and has a win percentage of 0.
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| Quote ="charlie63wildcat"Nice one. Thanks for that. I agree with everything in that report except the Hall issue. My view is that swapping Hall for Dagger and obtaining an OK full back, was highly unlikely to get us any league points. Better to take that situation on the chin and play kay, no matter what his shortcomings at fb. But its done now. Everything else is bang on and, no matter how much the perennial bellyachers moan, this is our reality as a club and solvency trumps all in the grown up world'"
The Hall v Dagger swap was nailed on to be the hot topic and quite rightly popped up 1st. Those on the stage could say nothing to convince the fans otherwise. Terrible and pointless deal but what's done is done.
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| Quote ="BackSeatCoach"Was that Henry Boot?'"
York Court and Henry Boot Developments owe us more than they have given us….a lot more for the way they went about the Newmarket development.
They had 0 intention of providing that facility.
We have though got to move on and if we have got some funding out of them on top of the contribution to the redevelopment then it’s better than nothing at a club where every penny counts.
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| Quote ="jonh"York Court and Henry Boot Developments owe us more than they have given us….a lot more for the way they went about the Newmarket development.
They had 0 intention of providing that facility.
We have though got to move on and if we have got some funding out of them on top of the contribution to the redevelopment then it’s better than nothing at a club where every penny counts.'"
This is true and it’s time to move on.
If it’s £60k a season over 5 years that’s a positive contribution and will be welcome.
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| Quote ="altofts wildcat"So to cut a long story short the usual guff lapped up by the Rose Tinted Brigade. Comments about Carter getting a round of applause literally says everything you need to know about how idiotic some of our fans our. The guy is leading us into oblivion and people are either to stupid or blinded by loyalty to see it.'"
How is he leading us into oblivion again? I've forgotten that bit. Please explain what we rose tinted and stupid supporters are missing.
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| Quote ="altofts wildcat"So to cut a long story short the usual guff lapped up by the Rose Tinted Brigade. Comments about Carter getting a round of applause literally says everything you need to know about how idiotic some of our fans our. The guy is leading us into oblivion and people are either too stupid or blinded by loyalty to see it.'"
On a personal level I am inclined to find this tenor of dismissive rhetoric only mildly offensive… my biggest issue with it, is that it lacks intellectual gravitas.. just an emotional and ill-conceived verbal diarrhoea. It offers no alternative hypothesis or strategy and speaks to a destructive and anarchistic nature… someone who prefers to throw stones rather than build with them.
That said, our current dualistic society has created this! So we cannot be surprised when we see a whole espoused ethos based on a single prejudice, and ‘angry’ is the cool psychological state.
I do not share this person’s view… and that will make them angry… (even though they will undoubtedly deny such an attitude)…I met Carter once and I shook his hand and thanked him for stepping in where, and whence, no one else would… I don’t know Minards but I share his attitude and application to business. I think he’s a safe pair of hands.
I’m awake early (it’s 3:30am) and eagerly awaiting the opportunity to see Trinity on TV … just as I did in the 70s … or when we had some (relative) success… and just as I did during our seasons in relegation fights and even in lower divisions… does that make me ‘rose tinted’?… possibly!
Moreover, I think it’s part of what makes me a fan!
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| Quote ="PopTart"How is he leading us into oblivion again? I've forgotten that bit. Please explain what we rose tinted and stupid supporters are missing.'"
Poor recruitment, poor head coach choice and sticking with him , 12 straight loses and rooted at the foot of the table as a result of squad penny pinching.
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| Quote ="Willzay"Poor recruitment, poor head coach choice and sticking with him , 12 straight loses and rooted at the foot of the table as a result of squad penny pinching.'"
What i don't get is Carter has sacked coaches for less. Why is this time so different? Yes the squad isn't great but i'm convinced it's better than 6 points a game.
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| Quote ="Sacred Cow"What i don't get is Carter has sacked coaches for less. Why is this time so different? Yes the squad isn't great but i'm convinced it's better than 6 points a game.'"
Has he?
Agar walked,
Webster walked,
Chester, he was massively pressured into that decision after 3 years of poor performance,
Poching, contract wasn't renewed.
He's not someone who seems to sack coaches willy nilly, which is an admiral trait to not be too trigger happy, but bloody hell it's clear things aren't working with the current set up. If he genuinely believes he's seen enough from the coaching staff/squad that we will stay up then he's watching a different game to everybody else.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Has he?
Agar walked,
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Chester, he was massively pressured into that decision after 3 years of poor performance,
Poching, contract wasn't renewed.
He's not someone who seems to sack coaches willy nilly, which is an admiral trait to not be too trigger happy, but bloody hell it's clear things aren't working with the current set up. If he genuinely believes he's seen enough from the coaching staff/squad that we will stay up then he's watching a different game to everybody else.'"
With Webster & Agar he had ‘the chat’ and they agreed between them it was time for a change. For some reason that talk doesn’t seem to be happening now despite us being even worse than we were then.
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| Quote ="Sacred Cow"With Webster & Agar he had ‘the chat’ and they agreed between them it was time for a change. For some reason that talk doesn’t seem to be happening now despite us being even worse than we were then.'"
Maybe that is being left to any potential incoming replacement for the holy one.
I do fear though that the longer that goes on, that any chats will be too little, too late.
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| Quote ="PopTart"How is he leading us into oblivion again? I've forgotten that bit. Please explain what we rose tinted and stupid supporters are missing.'"
By sticking with a coach who is so far out of his depth, has led us to 12 straight losses and down into the Championship. If we do go down then I don't see where the money is going to come from to be able to build a team as well as pay off the loan to the council for the stadium. There is also the thing that nobody seems to mention which is directors loans...
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| Quote ="Spookisback"On a personal level I am inclined to find this tenor of dismissive rhetoric only mildly offensive… my biggest issue with it, is that it lacks intellectual gravitas.. just an emotional and ill-conceived verbal diarrhoea. It offers no alternative hypothesis or strategy and speaks to a destructive and anarchistic nature… someone who prefers to throw stones rather than build with them.
That said, our current dualistic society has created this! So we cannot be surprised when we see a whole espoused ethos based on a single prejudice, and ‘angry’ is the cool psychological state.
I do not share this person’s view… and that will make them angry… (even though they will undoubtedly deny such an attitude)…I met Carter once and I shook his hand and thanked him for stepping in where, and whence, no one else would… I don’t know Minards but I share his attitude and application to business. I think he’s a safe pair of hands.
I’m awake early (it’s 3:30am) and eagerly awaiting the opportunity to see Trinity on TV … just as I did in the 70s … or when we had some (relative) success… and just as I did during our seasons in relegation fights and even in lower divisions… does that make me ‘rose tinted’?… possibly!
Moreover, I think it’s part of what makes me a fan!'"
I could have used longer and more convoluted words like yourself but lets be honest the majority of our fans would not understand them, they are stupid enough to be so far up Carter's booty that all you can see is their toes so understanding words and phrases such as "It offers no alternative hypothesis or strategy and speaks to a destructive and anarchistic nature" is going to be far beyond them.
In terms of offering a Hypothesis, I hypothesize that through terrible recruitment and coaches that the board are leading us down. I do not blame the coach personally as it is not his fault he was given the job when by every conceivable metric he is not up to it.
My solution to the problem in the short term is to relieve Applegarth of his duties and replace him with a more experienced and proven option such as Danny Ward, Brian Mcdermott, John Kear. In the long term we need somebody at the club who actually knows about the game, we have nobody at the club who is experienced in the game of rugby, we are crying out for a Director of Rugby.
Yes I am angry and I feel I have every right to be.
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