You see Rovers,this is the bit i dont understand.
As you have stated EVERY club barring Fev voted in favour.yet you continue to aim your anger and bitterness at just one of those clubs - Wakey.How could we have kicked you all in the teeth,when your fellow clubs voted in favour as well?
Your opinion that Wakey were just saying im alright Jack,would mean that the same could be said for each and every club that voted in favour,again you aim your anger and bitterness at just one of those clubs.

FWIW,i never have believed in the fundamentals of a system that removes the spirit of the game -- promotion and relegation.
I dont for that matter believe in the play offs,its absurd that a team can lose over half its games finish 8 th in the league and then be crowned champions.
I also have little time for expansion,stuff London,stuff Wales,stuff helping the French.But the game got itself in this mess and we now play to the tune of Sky,i dont like it,but thats the reality.
If Wakey lose their license we have no one to blame but ourselves.It will be a shame and quite possibly a disaster for the club.But ive supported them for over 30 years and will continue to do so.

The difference between Salford, Wakey & Cas is, Salford have a Council that’s paying for their Ground, whereas, Wakefield MDC aren’t giving either club a dime.

It’s not through the hard work of the club or fans, you just got lucky.

Also, the main point that is forgotten is that Salford have been planning their stadium for the best part of a decade. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 083348.stm That was taken from 2000.

Also, the main point that is forgotten is that Salford have been planning their stadium for the best part of a decade. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 083348.stm That was taken from 2000.

I wouldn't ever want to speak for rovers, as you can tell, he can manage that perfectly well for himself!
But his anger isn't just at one club, it's probably at all SL clubs.
But Wakey are going to be the one's feeling the brunt as they are now going to have to face life as we have for the last generation or so - where apathy is abound and hopes and aspirations to go onto greater things are all but snuffed out by those running the game! A mechanism that Wakey were part of and now feeling the @rse end of!!!
We now see a proliferation of comments re P&R, how it should be brought back etc where previously there has been a derth of such comments. Moreover, I remember reading the majority of comment supporting the proposed franchising system from people on this board, particularly when relegation might have been a real possibility!
So this is why you might see anger and bitterness. It's not all at Wakey, just that you are now the target. If it was Cas, it would be no different.

The thing is, Trinity were hardly guaranteed of a license, and IMO it was only Widnes’ downfall that enabled the club to gain a license. By the time licenses were handed out, relegation wouldn’t have been an issue due to improved on field results so in reality the club were putting themselves in potential danger of relegation when their on field results had provided a degree of safety from that event.

All this gnashing of teeth about the club having the ‘I’m alright Jack’ attitude is misplaced. They were one of the SL clubs in real danger of being demoted, as they are now.

I also remember many at the time still wished for PR. Me personally, I think licensing should be given time to see how it pans out. If Trinity are demoted, and if they survive, I would still support them and I would hope the club get on with things and develop the club (as Featherstone appear to have been doing) and not wallow in self pity. What they need to do is try their damndest to make sure they are a better proposition come 2014, ready for the next set of license renewals.

Quote ="Fully"Also, the main point that is forgotten is that Salford have been planning their stadium for the best part of a decade. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 083348.stm That was taken from 2000.'" actually mate our board first drew up plans for our stadium back in 1996, its been a loooooong time coming for us pal.

Quote ="Fully"Also, the main point that is forgotten is that Salford have been planning their stadium for the best part of a decade. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 083348.stm That was taken from 2000.'" actually mate our board first drew up plans for our stadium back in 1996, its been a loooooong time coming for us pal.

I know nothing of your new stadium I must admit, but its a shame from my perspective the willows is seemingly on its way out. Always liked standing in your away end even if we once went 4 halves without scoring. Decent little ground for me

A lot of that is fair enough, IMO. However, as far as P&R is concerned, I think a lot of the fans on here want to see it brought back because of the meaninglessness that many of the games now have, which in turn exposes the lack of quality entertainment that most are complaining about. I'll be honest, I was for a franchise system when the concept was first introduced, because I thought it would improve the quality of the rugby, that we'd see a lot more inventive play, and a lot more local players in the team. Whilst we're not doing too bad in terms of bringing on the next generation, most people on here will tell you that the quality of the rugby in the latter half of this season has been very poor. But that may just be a Wakey. I haven't seen enough of it to be able to judge, though, and in many ways, I'm quite thankful.

Ow you get me wrong my friend, my bitterness is not just directed at Wakey its is at a whole number of clubs and people, i could give you a long list of people i hate over all this and a good eg of why but it would take me too long. The reason Wakey are getting grief at the moment is because of the way all of a sudden your club and fans are now starting to mention how unfair the whole system is, even your coach Mr Kear all of a sudden thinks P+R is the way to go stating it should be about what happens on the pitch. Well it was unfair when it was 1st introduced and if people had said so at the time maybe the whole stupid system may not have got a foothold,

The reason Wakey are worst than the rest is because when they were promoted the clubs below super league all voted to give Wakey some money out of there pot so they could go into super league as super league clubs wouldnt share there pot. The understanding was Wakey would champion the cause of P+R. Wakey took the money and went back on there word.

salford have just signed one of your players leo latu as our new hooker, what this lad like?

Fair dos.

Hit and miss but more of a miss lately as everyone else!! youd have been better giving alker another season

Very unpredictable and erratic, he can inject a bit of spark into a performance but can also be a liability at other times.

So the Championship clubs gave us money to champion the cause of P&R 10 years before it was abolished.
Were you all psychic back then????

Rovers,but the self same teams that gave Wakefield the money, all ,bar Fev,voted the same way as Wakefield,as you keep telling us -- Fev were the only ones to vote against.
So in essence the clubs below super league paid Wakey to champion their cause,but when it came to voting,they didnt even champion it themselves,apart from Fev that is.Can you not see how ridiculous that is.

Cuts like a knife ! Wakey are doomed .

I dont know how old you are or how long you have been watching Wakey but my memory goes back 30 odd years. Around the time Wakey went up there was the talk of maybe abolishing P+R in fact after Wakey Hunslet were refused, There was many discussions going on at the time and like i say Wakey were supposed to champion the cause

Don't forget, wakey actively voted against allowing dewsbury and hunslet access to sl after their gf wins.

No what happened was the vast majority of teams below super league were on there assss and i mean skint as the sky money had long since dried up, so the lure of 100k which the teams were offered persuaded them to vote for the new licence system. Now the cynic in me believes the RFL planned to send those clubs to the brink so they could manipulate them into THERE way of thinking
. Rovers didnt vote that way the club knew how passionate we fans felt about it and in my view we are the only club that can hold our heads up. The game is corrupt from top to bottom, i used to go to every challenge cup final, GB tests, England games the lot, Wakey believe it or not were one of my favourite teams behind Rovers, a lot of my m8s played for them, now i hate the game and if Rovers ceased to exist i would never watch another game as long as i lived.
As for the championship its a great comp the entertainment is brilliant there not the athletes of super league but the more mistakes they make makes it very exciting as well as the punch ups you get, i got as big a thrill watching Rovers play Sheffield last week as i did when we used to play Leeds, wigan etc

Wasn't it a case of they just didn't meet the minimum standards required to enter SL, after all, Widnes and Huddersfield had no problems getting promoted.

Thats where you are wrong buddy, Wakey will survive even if not in the bent Superleague as will Cas or any other team that gets the boot for another useless experiment.

please go away and grow a pair

1,122. Att at Crusaders v Quins , it's a joke those two should be kicked out of SL .

No it was a case of Dewsbury and Hunslet didnt fit the big picture, just like Fev and Wakey

Or was it ground capacity issues?