Fact is -
1) carrying a smoke bomb into a stadium and setting off and throwing on the pitch is illegal those who did this hopefully will be found, banned and charged by police - whoever they are

Now for the other stuff reports of intimidating activity, fighting etc isn't needed or historical associated with your typical RL follower.... I see a number of fans who shall we say aren't overly aware of their responsibilities as a supporter.

We represent the club.... We are the club ... So when I read "this ain't so bad" and get over it only a smoke bomb comments on here and some of our "fans" pages on social networking I get worried as it says to me these people are taking the healthy tribalistic us v them and turning it into something unsavoury with there own little "firm" with a forget everyone attitude.

Very worrying

Here's my two penneth. I say follow the letter of the law like one reasonable man has already suggested on this forum. Ban for 3 months from entering a stadium. Wakefield should not be fined thousands of pounds over the actions of these two morons. The punishment certainly wouldn't fit the crime.

Don't fall off your chair but I pretty much agree with this. The usual suspects are out in force spouting pomposity on this one.

I believe you can't pick and choose which laws you obey - however the flip side is that if as you say it's 3 month thats fine and it's all it should be none of that making example rubbish. Why WTWRLFC should be fined for this is truly unfair in my book but I'm not sure what the situation is, I would however hope for some sympathy from the RFL considering how much effort has been put into turning this club around - and lets be honest it's the club that will suffer - bit like cutting ones nose off to spite ones face.

are we actually getting a fine? i know carter said this when he stormed the pitch but did he just say it out of anger at the heat of the moment or are we 100% due a fine. I know warrington, widnes and hull KR have all had pyro incidents, were they fined?

If you liken crowd trouble to speeding, this incident might be like getting caught doing 34mph in a 30mph zone, petty but nevertheless stupid when you know you should not be doing it, any leniency you might be hoping for is negated by the fact that it's not the first time so the excuses aren't as convincing, so you get the fine and in the words made famous by Willy Shakespeare you suck it up, only difference is in this case it will be the club and the fans' what feel the pain, hopefully the RFL will agree with some of the posters' on here what for some reason want to trivialise it.
Maybe they'll say it's Castleford's fault for poor stewarding at their ground but then maybe not, I wonder if all those on here dismissing it as a mere prank including our mate JK whose main aim was to cause mischief on here, will think the same if we get a fine.

My take on the trouble after the game, both teams have troublesome fans, these need to be rooted out, Wakey speccis, if you know the Wakey fans involved, name them to the club, let them put their side of the story, ditto Cas fans.
I know reading the Casforums that people know who the Cas fans who were attacking/attacked Wakey fans are as they've been named, get it sorted by the people in authority, simple.

The problem is this is the 3rd time in under 3 years we have been investigated for crowd issues. As a club we are gaining an undesirable reputation and as the RFL want the game to remain to be be seen as the 'family game' then i doubt they will be impressed. It seems to be a growing problem within a few of our fans and it needs nipping in the bud quickly, which is exactly why the perpetrators should be made an example of to show that we will not accept behaviour contrary to the rules. Throw the book at them and show we are getting tough and it might stop future issues and the RFL might go a little easier. Taking a soft option and next time it might not be just a moderately dangerous missile like a smoke bomb but actually a flare or firework. Then we have a major problem on our hands.

Sadly I'm pretty sure this isn't just our club that has a minority of nutmegs, we've had problems off the top of my head with, St Helens, Widnes, Cas, Hull FC, Hull KR, I've been abused and threatened by Wigan fans at Wembley for wearing my Wakey shirt, been spat at in Perpignan by Catalans supporters.
We've all got them but they must be rooted out and banned, but let's not think we're the only bad 'uns.
Unless it's just me that attracts them?

My take on the smoke bomb thing is that those responsible should be asked to meet MC and let him explain the potential consequences to the club of incidents like that. Trying to be charitable, the people who took them in and set them off probably did just think it would look great and would add atmosphere, etc, without any malicious thinking beyond that. If they are young lads, let them apologise and understand the potential impact and then carry on.

As for the fighting, the one thing I do take from the incidents at Cas and against Widnes is that our fans do not tend to start the trouble. We have perhaps a few, however, who are a bit too quick to respond to baiting. I know Sunday is tricky, because it sounds like the Cas lads went in swinging, and then people defend themselves and it drags others in, but there are a few who could perhaps do with learning to rise above it.

I do think that increased segregation is part of the problem, in that fans have got used to going to most grounds and being offensive to the opposition fans, knowing that there is no mixing, and it doesn't carry on outside. Then problems arise when old habits carry on in non-segregated grounds.

Definitely don't think wakey should be fined. MC is doing his damnedest to find the culprits, has spoken of his utter frustration and is running an investigation on it. Very harsh that a club should be punished due to 2 mindless idiots. A shame there was any bother because I was thrilled with a crowd of 10,700. That's the biggest crowd for a cas game not involving Leeds in have seen at wheldon road.

When Bradford tried using a similar rationale for leniency didn't some sort or organisation write to the RFL? The name escapes me.

And it's worth saying, most of that crowd were great.
They guys around me were fine. I cheered when Wakefield scored and they didn't get upset and vica versa.

A couple of smoke bombs is a world away from blatant financial mismanagement.

So Bradford's financial crisis was down to a couple of idiotic fans???? Is that what you're suggesting? If not, I fail to see how the 2 are linked or can be compared in any way.

You are completely missing the point. Vastman was suggesting that the efforts made by the new owner to turn the club around were somehow grounds for leniency.

Now you may well have grounds for leniency but that certainly isn't one of them.

Sustained Financial ineptitude versus moronic cretinousness. I'd say that's about even really.

Let's not turn thsi into a financial review of rugby league in West Yorkshire again.

Much as I don't like the thread being here we are talking abnout thetrouble at Cas.
PP was just making a passing comment, that's all.

There you go again with your calm and thoughtful moderating. I won't poke the bear any further.

The smoke bombs are the bigger offender for me. What passed through the mind of the idiots bringing them to the ground I have no idea.

Re-reading my post that was really bad typing

You are of course always welcome on here Pumpy.
I hope you guys are in the top 4 this year to play us...but equally I hope we are top 8 so we don't.

I agree. The fighting is far worse on an individual basis and I hope we get rid of those people but it is a flash point that not everybody involved intended. And also it's often outside the ground which is hard to control.
The smoke bombs were preplanned, whether they knew how wrong it was I don't know, but it was planned all the same.
Why they thought it would be well received I don't know.

But they are not similar. One was totally the fault of a clubs administration, the other is guilt by association and a fairly tenuous one at that.

Thank you. I've publicly predicted we will be playing you in the middle 8s, but I've also predicted you'll kick our ass thus exposing the chance of promotion to be entirely fake. I'm a treasure trove of cup half emptyness.

p.s. I had some rhubarb last night does that make me technically a trin fan?

You still have that glow of past glories about you so not yet. When you've had a full season of disappointing results and nearly but not quites, then you'll have the drawn and weary look of a Wakefield Trinity fan.....with the different glow of "it must be better than last year" about you.

I've already stated earlier in this thread that taking or attempting to take a flare/firework/smokebomb (they are all Classed the same) in to a sports stadium in the UK is a specific crime and is punishable by up to the maximum jail term of 3 months, also the letting off of the afore mentioned devices in a sports stadium also carries the same punishment, they are specific criminal acts and therefore should not be belittled or ignored and the full weight of the law needs to be implemented on the offenders if their identity is established. The FA have a standard 3 year ban in place for anyone who is caught doing this at a footy game and I would suggest the RFL and WTW take a similar stance.
As for the fighting, it's not a clear cut, it will be 50/50 no matter who started it and unless one individual decides he wants to press specific charges against anyone else then the police/cps are unlikely to take further action, which makes it difficult for either Cas or Wakey to take/justify any action against these people.
IMO considering the nature of the finish and the 10700 crowd, for there to be one incident of unrest is a victory, it could have been far worse and I think alcohol will clearly of played its part img the scuffle. The smoke bombs is premeditated stupidity and even tho it was quite fun to happen, it is against the law and needs to be punished to prevent a further incident that could be a flare or firework that although are classed the same for this kind of incident, they are clearly more dangerous than a smoke bomb.